Finding Formula without using any trig functions

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for the function g(x) = sin(arccos(4x-1)) without utilizing any trigonometric functions. Participants explore different approaches to derive the formula, focusing on the implications of the angle's quadrant and the use of geometric or algebraic identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests defining θ = arccos(4x-1) and using a right triangle to derive sin(θ) through the Pythagorean theorem, leading to the expression sin(θ) = √(8x - 16x²).
  • Another participant reiterates the same approach, confirming that g(x) = √(8x - 16x²) based on the relationship between sin(θ) and cos(θ).
  • A different participant raises a concern about the quadrant of the angle, arguing that using the Pythagorean identity is preferable since the angle may not be in the first quadrant, which could affect the sign of the result. They present the same expression but include a ± sign to indicate potential ambiguity.
  • One participant emphasizes that if the angle is not in the first quadrant, g(x) may not be a function due to the sign ambiguity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to deriving the formula, particularly regarding the implications of the angle's quadrant. There is no consensus on whether to include the ± sign in the final expression for g(x), indicating an unresolved debate on the function's definition.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of considering the quadrant of the angle when applying trigonometric identities, as this affects the sign of the resulting expression. The mathematical steps involve assumptions about the domain of x and the behavior of the function g(x).

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Find a formula for g(x)= sin(arccos(4x-1)) without using any trigonometric functions.

I have the answer key right in front of me, but i still get how to start it off or the steps in solving these kind of questions or how to do it at all :/

Thanks!
 
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:Hello, khuangg!

Find a formula for $\,g(x)\,=\, \sin\big[\arccos(4x-1)\big]$
without using any trigonometric functions.
Not sure what that means.
Let $\theta \,=\,\arccos(4x-1)$

Then:$\:\cos\theta \:=\:\dfrac{4x-1}{1} \:=\:\dfrac{adj}{hyp}$

$\theta$ is in a right triangle with: $\,adj= 4x-1,\; hyp = 1.$

Pythagorus: $\:\text{(opp)}^2 + \text{(adj)}^2 \;=\; \text{(hyp)}^2$
$\qquad\qquad \text{(opp)}^2 + (4x-1)^2 \;=\;1^2$

And we have: $\: opp = \sqrt{8x-16x^2}$

Therefore: $\:\sin\theta \;=\;\dfrac{opp}{hyp} \;=\;\sqrt{8x-16x^2}$

 
$$\theta = \arccos(4x-1) \implies \cos{\theta} = \frac{4x-1}{1}$$

$$g(x) = \sin{\theta} = \frac{y}{1} = \frac{\sqrt{1^2-(4x-1)^2}}{1} = \sqrt{8x-16x^2}$$
 
As beautiful as it is to draw up a right-angle triangle and apply Pythagoras, in cases like these I prefer to use the Pythagorean Identity, simply because it is quite possible that the angle given is not in the first quadrant, and so the signs may be off...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sin{ \left[ \arccos{ \left( 4x - 1 \right) } \right] } &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left\{ \cos{ \left[ \arccos{ \left( 4x - 1 \right) } \right] } \right\} ^2 } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left( 4x - 1 \right) ^2 } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left( 16x^2 - 8x + 1 \right) } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 8x - 16x^2 } \end{align*}$
 
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As beautiful as it is to draw up a right-angle triangle and apply Pythagoras, in cases like these I prefer to use the Pythagorean Identity, simply because it is quite possible that the angle given is not in the first quadrant, and so the signs may be off...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sin{ \left[ \arccos{ \left( 4x - 1 \right) } \right] } &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left\{ \cos{ \left[ \arccos{ \left( 4x - 1 \right) } \right] } \right\} ^2 } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left( 4x - 1 \right) ^2 } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 1 - \left( 16x^2 - 8x + 1 \right) } \\ &= \pm \sqrt{ 8x - 16x^2 } \end{align*}$

... and in that case, g(x) would not be a function.
 

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