Finding friction - block attached to ball

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block attached to a weight over a pulley, where the block is on a flat surface and the coefficient of friction is not provided. Participants are exploring how to approach the problem without explicit information about friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question whether to assume a frictionless surface in the absence of a coefficient of friction. Some suggest that the problem should explicitly state if it is frictionless. Others discuss the implications of needing to find a minimum coefficient of friction to prevent movement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to interpret the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding assumptions about friction, but there is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify whether the surface is frictionless, leading to uncertainty in how to approach the calculations. There is also mention of a requirement to find the minimum coefficient of friction needed to keep the block from moving, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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If the problem doesn't give a coefficient of friction does that mean you solve it without the friction? Do you solve for friction somehow? I'm supposed to find the distance a block moves in 3 secs that's attached to a 100N weight over a pulley. Block is on flat surface...no friction coefficient is given...do I solve it on a frictionless surface?
 
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If they don't give you any information about friction, I would just assume that the surface is frictionless.

But post the exact problem, word-for-word, if you are unsure.
 
Kaxa2000 said:
If the problem doesn't give a coefficient of friction does that mean you solve it without the friction? Do you solve for friction somehow? I'm supposed to find the distance a block moves in 3 secs that's attached to a 100N weight over a pulley. Block is on flat surface...no friction coefficient is given...do I solve it on a frictionless surface?

Hi Kaxa2000! :smile:

Sounds like a bad question. :frown:

The question should always say "frictionless" if that's intended (or some other code-word, like "smooth", or "ice", which is always assumed to be frictionless!).

If no friction coefficient is given, I don't see how you can solve this (unless, for example, the block is a cylinder and it's rolling, in which case the coefficient wouldn't matter).
 
It doesn't mention frictionless, but the reason why I wonder if there's a way to solve for kinetic friction is because at the end of the problem it asks what minimum coefficient of friction is required to keep the block from moving.

Is it possible to do that on a frictionless surface?? I got 1.0 for the coefficient of static ...does that seem right?
 
I assume that for the first part, you assume that it's frictionless, and for the second part, you assume that it isn't.
 

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