Finding Indexes for \frac{n}{n+2} \approx 1 with varying epsilon values

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The discussion revolves around determining the index for the sequence \(\frac{n}{n+2}\) such that it approximates 1 within specified epsilon values. The original poster presents calculations for different epsilon values, including \(.001\) and \(.000002\), and explores the implications of these results as \(n\) increases.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to find indices for given epsilon values by manipulating the inequality \(\left|\frac{n}{n+2}-1\right|< \epsilon\). Some participants question the behavior of the sequence and its terms, particularly regarding whether they are increasing or decreasing.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the nature of the sequence and its convergence properties. There is recognition that as epsilon decreases, the required index \(n\) must increase to maintain the approximation to 1. The discussion reflects an exploration of the relationship between epsilon values and the corresponding indices.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the behavior of the sequence as \(n\) approaches infinity, particularly in relation to the definitions of convergence and limits.

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I for the most part have this completed but I have a small question and thus checking if I did this correctly.

Homework Statement


Given the Sequence = [tex]\frac{n}{n+2}[/tex] [tex]\approx_{\epsilon}[/tex] 1 , for n >> 1

Show what index if [tex]\epsilon[/tex] = .001
" " if [tex]\epsilon[/tex] = .000002
" " for any [tex]\epsilon[/tex] > 0



Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



for [tex]\epsilon[/tex] = .001 I did:

[tex]\left|\frac{n}{n+2}-1\right|< .001[/tex]

[tex]\left|\frac{-2}{n+2}\right| < .001[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2}{n+2} < .001[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2}{n+2} < \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{n+2}{2} > 1000[/tex]

[tex]n+2 > 2000[/tex]

[tex]n > 1998[/tex]

The only issue I have with this one and the next one is that they aren't decreasing and I'm not sure if it needs to be or not:

[tex]\frac{1999}{1999+2} = .9990004998[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2000}{2000+2} = .9990009990[/tex]

for [tex]\epsilon[/tex] = .000002 I did:

[tex]\left|\frac{n}{n+2}-1\right|< .000002[/tex]

[tex]\left|\frac{-2}{n+2}\right| < .000002[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2}{n+2} < .000002[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2}{n+2} < \frac{2}{1000000}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{n+2}{2} > \frac{1000000}{2}[/tex]

[tex]n+2 > 1000000[/tex]

[tex]n > 999998[tex] <br /> <b>for any [tex]\epsilon[/tex] > 0</b><br /> <br /> [tex]\left|\frac{n}{n+2}-1\right|< \epsilon[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\left|\frac{-2}{n+2}\right| < \epsilon[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{2}{n+2} < \epsilon[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{n+2}{2} > \frac{1}{\epsilon}[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]n+2 > \frac{2}{\epsilon}[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]n > \frac{2}{\epsilon}-2[/tex][/tex][/tex]
 
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The_Iceflash said:
The only issue I have with this one and the next one is that they aren't decreasing and I'm not sure if it needs to be or not:
Who are "they" in "they aren't decreasing"? The terms in the sequence n/(n + 2) are increasing, but you're looking at the difference n/(n + 2) - 1. This sequence is decreasing.
 
Mark44 said:
Who are "they" in "they aren't decreasing"? The terms in the sequence n/(n + 2) are increasing, but you're looking at the difference n/(n + 2) - 1. This sequence is decreasing.

The index:

I got n > 1998 as the index so,

[tex]\frac{1999}{1999+2} = .9990004998[/tex]

[tex]\frac{2000}{2000+2} = .9990009990[/tex]
 
This is to be expected in a sequence that is increasing, as {n/(n + 2)} is. A larger index gives you a larger value.
 
As Mark44 said, that is to be expected. [itex]\epsilon[/itex] being smaller means you must get closer to the limit value which, in turn, means you must go further out in the sequence. As [itex]\epsilon[/itex] gets smaller, you should expect the index, N, to get larger, not smaller.

You may be thinking of function limits, [itex]\lim_{x\to a}f(x)[/itex] where to get closer to the limit, you must get closer to a: smaller [itex]\epsilon[/itex] means smaller [itex]\delta[/itex].

But with [itex]\lim_{n\to \infty} a_n[/itex] or even [itex]\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x)[/itex], your "a" is [itex]\infty[/itex] so you must get "closer to infinity" which means larger.
 

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