Finding Killing Vectors of FLRW Metric: Simple Equation?

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In summary: Killing field.In summary, the killing vectors for a given metric can be found by understanding the symmetries of the spacetime geometry and constructing an ansatz for the Killing field. However, this is a difficult task.
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I need to find the killing vectors of the FLRW metric. However, it seems that they are complicated. Is there a simple/general equation that gives the killing vectors for a given metric? Or do I have to solve ten independent killing equations simultaneously to find the killing vectors?
 
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I don't think so, beyond the usual "if the metric coefficients are independent of a coordinate" trick. At least, Carroll comments that it's hard work.

But you must know the symmetries of FLRW spacetime. Can you write down an ansatz for at least some of the Killing fields?
 
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Ibix said:
I don't think so, beyond the usual "if the metric coefficients are independent of a coordinate" trick. At least, Carroll comments that it's hard work.

But you must know the symmetries of FLRW spacetime. Can you write down an ansatz for at least some of the Killing fields?
Then it seems the problem is hard to solve as you have said...I am not sure that I can
 
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Arman777 said:
Then it seems the problem is hard to solve as you have said...I am not sure that I can
Well, can you name some symmetries? I can think of six in two sets of three. Hint: what is the defining property of FLRW spacetimes?
 
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Ibix said:
Hint: what is the defining property of FLRW spacetimes?
Homoegenous and Isotropic space
 
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Right. And the symmetries of a space that is (a) everywhere the same, and (b) the same at every angle are...?
 
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I suggest starting with the case of a spatially flat RW universe. The symmetries should be familiar.
 
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Arman777 said:
Is there a simple/general equation that gives the killing vectors for a given metric?
No

Arman777 said:
Or do I have to solve ten independent killing equations simultaneously to find the killing vectors?
No. What the comments from @Ibix and @Orodruin are telling you is that, instead of looking for a mechanical process to crank out Killing vectors from the metric, you should try to understand physically what the symmetries of the spacetime geometry are, and then use that understanding to come up with an ansatz for what you expect the Killing vectors to be.

As John Wheeler said, you should never do a calculation in physics unless you already know the answer.
 
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Ibix said:
I don't think so, beyond the usual "if the metric coefficients are independent of a coordinate" trick. At least, Carroll comments that it's hard work.
Yeah, I can't imagine solving the Killing equation in any other way than guessing a coordinate system where the metric is independent of some coordinate.
 
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stevendaryl said:
I can't imagine solving the Killing equation in any other way than guessing a coordinate system where the metric is independent of some coordinate.
That method won't always find all of the Killing vectors, though. For example, for spherical symmetry there is a 3-parameter group of Killing vectors, but looking for an adapted coordinate chart will only find one of them.
 
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PeterDonis said:
That method won't always find all of the Killing vectors, though. For example, for spherical symmetry there is a 3-parameter group of Killing vectors, but looking for an adapted coordinate chart will only find one of them.
Well. There’s nothing stating that you cannot use other coordinate systems to find the remaining ones.

In fact, given a Killing field, it should always be possible to find a coordinate system where that field is a coordinate tangent field.

There are also other ways to construct additional Killing fields however. For example, the commutator of two Killing fields is also a Killing field.
 
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Orodruin said:
There’s nothing stating that you cannot use other coordinate systems to find the remaining ones.
Yes, that's true, although it does exchange the problem of finding all the Killing vectors for the problem of finding all the coordinate systems. :wink:

Orodruin said:
given a Killing field, it should always be possible to find a coordinate system where that field is a coordinate tangent field.
Again, true, but I'm not sure how helpful it is if you don't already know what the Killing field is.

Orodruin said:
There are also other ways to construct additional Killing fields however. For example, the commutator of two Killing fields is also a Killing field.
Yes, good point; I believe this is one way to get all three of the spherical symmetry Killing fields, for example.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Yes, that's true, although it does exchange the problem of finding all the Killing vectors for the problem of finding all the coordinate systems. :wink:
Sure, you are still guessing. But for some seeing coordinate systems where symmetry is apparent may be easier than seein the Killing fields.

PeterDonis said:
Yes, good point; I believe this is one way to get all three of the spherical symmetry Killing fields, for example.
If you have two of them, then yes. Taking their connutator will give the third.

It will not always generate a new Killing field though.
 

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