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The discussion centers on determining the largest angle θ for which two homogeneous bars AB and BC, connected at point B and subject to static friction with a coefficient of 0.4, remain at rest. The user initially calculated θ as 64 degrees, but the correct value is 10 degrees as per the textbook. Key errors identified include the assumption that the friction forces Fa and Fb are equal, which is incorrect since they can vary based on the static friction limit. The correct approach involves balancing torques and recognizing that the friction forces cannot exceed the maximum static friction value.

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Homework Statement


The two homogeneous bars AB and BC are connected with a pin at B and placed between rough vertical walls. If the coefficient of static friction between each bar and the wall is 0.4, determine the largest angle θ for which the assembly will remain at rest.

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Homework Equations



summation of forces among horizontal
summation of forces among vertical
summation of forces - point

The Attempt at a Solution



so i use the fbd of the whole body, and take summation of forces on x axis, and i got Na = Nc (normal at point a is equal to point c). then, i take summation of forces on y axis, so thats

Fa - 6N -8N +Fb = 0 (where fa and fb are friction forces on a and b), and since fa = fb (their normals are equal), i use f = uN and yielded Na = 17.5 N.

I then take summation of moments at point B( bar of A to B) and here's eqn

(6)(300)(cos(x)) - 17.5 (600)(cos(x)) + 7(600)(sin(x)) = 0 and

the value of angle is 64 degress. the book says 10 degress. Where did I go wrong?
 
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The bars are not fixed together, but connected with a pin, they can turn around. Write out the conditions for equilibrium for both.
The force of friction is static, so you can not say that fa=fb. It is only true that neither of them can exceed 0.4 times the normal force. ehild
 
I would not like to waste this problem...

blackandyello said:
Fa - 6N -8N +Fb = 0 (where fa and fb are friction forces on a and b), and since fa = fb (their normals are equal), i use f = uN and yielded Na = 17.5 N.

The equation is correct for the resultant of all vertical components, but the forces of static friction are not the same: Fa is not equal to Fb. The force of static friction can not exceed the maximum value, so Fa, Fb ≤μN and the greater one is equal to it.

The bars can turn around B with respect to each other, so the torques must be balanced separately for both. If L is the length of the rods, the sum of torques on the left rod is

NLsinθ+6L/2 cosθ-Fa Lcosθ=0 => Ntan(θ)=Fa-3, Fa=Ntan(θ)+3

The equation for the right rod is

NLsinθ+8L/2 cosθ-Fb Lcosθ=0 => Ntan(θ)=Fb-4, Fb=Ntan(θ)+4

That means Fa<Fb≤0.4N. Taking Fb equal to 0.4N, Ntan(θ)+4=0.4N,

N(0.4-tan(θ))=4

The equation for vertical force components yields Fa+Fb=14. Plugging in Fa and Fb:

Ntan(θ)+3+Ntan(θ)+4=14 =>2N tan(θ)=7

Solve the equations in bold for θ.

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