Finding Launch Velocity and Maximum Height of a Toy Rocket Passing by a Window

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a toy rocket passing by a window, with specific measurements provided for the height of the window and the time taken to travel that height. The original poster seeks to determine the launch speed of the rocket and its maximum height, while assuming rapid fuel consumption at launch.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster calculates the velocity needed to traverse the window height and attempts to find the initial velocity from the ground. They express uncertainty about how to determine the maximum height of the rocket.
  • Some participants suggest considering the known acceleration and the implications of fuel consumption on the rocket's motion.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between derived equations and the assumptions made about acceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the rocket's acceleration and the conditions at the window. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the rocket's motion, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to solving for maximum height.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of kinematic equations and the assumptions related to acceleration, particularly in the context of the rocket's fuel consumption and its motion through the window.

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Homework Statement



A toy rocket passes by a 2.0 m-high window whose sill is 10.0 m above the ground. The rocket takes .15 s to travel the 2.0 m height of the window. What was the launch speed of the rocket, and how high will it go? Assume the propeltant is burned very quickly at blastoff.

Homework Equations



def of average velocity = t^-1 (X - Xo)
def of acceleration = t^-1 (V -Vo)
def of average velocity (velocity remains constant) = 2^-1 (V + Vo)

V = Vo + at

X = Xo + vo t + 2^-1 a t^2

V^2 = Vo^2 + 2a (X- Xo)


The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the velocity needed to accelerate 2.0 m in that time to be 14.07 s^-1 m
using this information, reaching that velocity in 10 m it would have to have an intial velocity from the ground of 19.8 s^-1 m

Sense this is problem 65 the answer is in the back of the book

19.8 s^-1 m; 20.0 m

I do not know how to solve for the how height it will go because all we know is the Vo and the acceleration...

we also know that the velocity at the max height is zero
so I rearanged this equation

def of a = t^-1 (V - Vo)
for t
t = (Vo + a)^-1
sense there is no V and got .03378 s not only is that wrong but the units didn't come out to seconds so I don't know how to find the height...

Also another question when deriving this equation

X = Xo + Vo t + 2^-1 a t^2

we do the following

def of average velocity = t^-1 (X - Xo)

solve for X

X = Vt + Xo
were V in that equation is average...

then

def of average velocity (v is constant no acceleration) = 2^-1 (V + Vo)

plug in

X = Xo + 2^-1 (V + Vo) t

def of a = t^-1 (V - Vo)
solve for V

V = Vo + at

plug and chug

X = Xo + 2^-1 (at + Vo + Vo)t
X = Xo + 2^-1 (2Vo + at)t
X = Xo + Vo t + 2^-1 a t^2

so my question is we derrived that equation using this formula
def of average velocity (v is constant no acceleration) = 2^-1 (V + Vo)
which is just the def of aritmetic average between two points sense it's linear and the velocity remaind constant with no acceleration but what I don't get is we derrived this equation using a equation that assumed there was no acceleration so how come are derrived equation has an acceleration in it? I thought we assuemd there was none... This has always struck me as odd...

ThANKS!
 
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In this problem, the acceleration is known. What could it be since you are told that all the fuel is gone by the time the rocket reaches the window? Start from there.
 
wait so all the fule is empty at 12 m in the air?
 
Yes, all the fuel is gone very quickly, assume instantly. What is the acceleration of the rocket then?
 
i still don't know how to go about doing it because there would still be a Vo and a acceleration at the top of the window
 
Sure there will be. This problem is like throwing a rock straight up in the air. What is the acceleration of the rock as it is moving up? Neglect air resistance.
 

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