Finding limit of function in 2 variables

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function sin(x^2+y^2)/(x^2+y^2) as (x,y) approaches (0,0). Participants are exploring whether the limit exists and what its value might be.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to convert the limit to polar coordinates to analyze its dependence on theta. They express uncertainty about how to proceed after reaching an indeterminate form. Other participants suggest substitutions and recall known limits, while some question their understanding of the limit of sin(u)/u.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches and clarifications. Some guidance is provided regarding the known limit of sin(u)/u, and there is a recognition of different methods to tackle the limit. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their knowledge and recall of calculus concepts, indicating a potential gap in understanding after a hiatus from math. The discussion includes references to L'Hospital's rule and its applicability to the problem, along with the acknowledgment of indeterminate forms.

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Homework Statement


lim as (x,y)-->(0,0) of sin(x^2+y^2)/(x^2+y^2)

Questions: Does limit exist and if so, what is it.

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The Attempt at a Solution



1. The professor instructed us to convert to polar coordinates to see if result depends on theta. If it does no limit.

Conversion:

lim as r-->0 of sin(r^2 cos^2(theta) + r^2 sin^2(theta)) / (r^2 cos^2(theta) + r^2 sin^2(theta))

This I think reduces to sin(r^2)/r^2. This implies that the limit exists, correct(since the answer doesn't depend on theta)? However, this doesn't help me with actually finding the limit, as plugging in 0 still yields indeterminate 0/0. What do i do?
 
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If you notice you can make a substitution!

say u=x^2+y^2

now your limit becomes:

[tex]lim_{(x,y)->(0,0)}\frac{\sin(x^2+y^2)}{x^2+y^2}[/tex]
as (x,y)->(0,0) u->(0)
[tex]lim_{u->0} \frac{\sin u}{u}[/tex]

and well you should know sin u/u by heart xD

also you could have done the substitution from sin(r^2)/r^2 actually it's almost the same thing since (x,y)->(0,0) (r,theta)->(0,0)

and theta is nowhere in there so you have lim r->0 sin(r^2)/r^2
 
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i guess I am just dumb, i didnt know that lim of sin u / u is 1. I am taking math after a 2 year hiatus :(
 
o well it's just a limit that sometimes comes up and when it does it's useful to know it. Also it's part of the proof of derivative of sin x.

also when you have a limit like sin(r^2)/r^2 it's a calculus 1 type limit so you can use L'Hospital's rule if you get an indeterminate form, but using it here you get 0.
 
dont u get 1? sin(r^2)/r^2 L'hopitaled becomes (cos(r^2)2r)/2r = cos(r^2) = 1?


Anyway, thanks for help
 
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o whops sorry i did the derivative 2x and got (2rsinr^2)/2r ><

but yes you could do it multiple ways but the substitution would be fastest since you can do it straight away.
 
You don't need to use L'Hopital. You know from Calc I that
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{sin(x)}{x}= 1[/tex]
Just think of r2 as x.
 

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