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The discussion revolves around finding matrices X such that the product of a given matrix A and X results in a matrix A' formed by swapping the 2nd and 4th columns of A. The problem is situated within the context of matrix operations and linear algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the dimensions and properties of matrix X, noting that it must be a 4x4 matrix. There are attempts to express the relationships between elements of A and A' through equations, but participants express frustration over the complexity and lack of clarity in deriving conditions for X. Some participants question the uniqueness of X and whether it can be represented as an identity matrix with specific columns swapped.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the problem and exploring various approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding matrix operations, but there is no explicit consensus on the conditions for X or its uniqueness. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenge of writing out individual elements of X, particularly if the dimensions are countable. There is also a reference to external resources that discuss matrix operations, which may provide additional context but do not resolve the current questions being raised.

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Homework Statement


Let A\in Mat_{3,4}(K). Find all matrices X such that \forall X| A\cdot X = A', where A' is the same as A with 2nd and 4th column swapped.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


First we determine the size of matrix X. By definition the first factor must have as many columns as the second has rows and the end product is A_{m,n}\cdot B_{n,p} = C_{m,p}. X must be 4 x 4. Let a'_{i,j}\in A', a_{i,j}\in A

Haven't been able to (in my opinion) come up with anything sensible. Essentially, I have noticed that if we denote rows of A and columns of X as vectors, such that a_1 = (a_{1,1},a_{1,2},a_{1,3},a_{1,4})(by row up to a3) and x_1 = (x_{1,1},x_{2,1},x_{3,1},x_{4,1})(by column up to x4)
Then the dot products equal to the corresponding element of A except when we multiply by either x2 or x4. Problem is, where do I find the conditions for matrix X?
I can also write out the dot products individually, but then I have 3 equations and 4 variables..

I have concluded that:
<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> a&#039;_{i,j} = a_{i,j}= \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k,j},&amp; j\in\{1,3\}\\<br /> a&#039;_{i,2} = \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k, 2} = a_{i,4}\\<br /> a&#039;_{i,4} = \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k, 4} = a_{i,2}<br /> <br /> \end{cases}<br /> <br />
THIS LOOKS UGLY! I can't think of any other way to show conditions for all x in X :s
This definitely is not acceptable, suggestions?

(I want to avoid writing out individual x - what if the dimensions of the matrix are countible? Would take a long time to write them out xD)
 
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If X were the identity matrix it would look like this: <br /> \begin{matrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> \end{matrix}. The second row controls the second column in the product, and the fourth row controls the fourth column.
 
nuuskur said:

Homework Statement


Let A\in Mat_{3,4}(K). Find all matrices X such that \forall X| A\cdot X = A&#039;, where A' is the same as A with 2nd and 4th column swapped.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


First we determine the size of matrix X. By definition the first factor must have as many columns as the second has rows and the end product is A_{m,n}\cdot B_{n,p} = C_{m,p}. X must be 4 x 4. Let a&#039;_{i,j}\in A&#039;, a_{i,j}\in A

Haven't been able to (in my opinion) come up with anything sensible. Essentially, I have noticed that if we denote rows of A and columns of X as vectors, such that a_1 = (a_{1,1},a_{1,2},a_{1,3},a_{1,4})(by row up to a3) and x_1 = (x_{1,1},x_{2,1},x_{3,1},x_{4,1})(by column up to x4)
Then the dot products equal to the corresponding element of A except when we multiply by either x2 or x4. Problem is, where do I find the conditions for matrix X?
I can also write out the dot products individually, but then I have 3 equations and 4 variables..

I have concluded that:
<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> a&#039;_{i,j} = a_{i,j}= \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k,j},&amp; j\in\{1,3\}\\<br /> a&#039;_{i,2} = \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k, 2} = a_{i,4}\\<br /> a&#039;_{i,4} = \sum_{k=1}^4 a_{i,k}\cdot x_{k, 4} = a_{i,2}<br /> <br /> \end{cases}<br /> <br />
THIS LOOKS UGLY! I can't think of any other way to show conditions for all x in X :s
This definitely is not acceptable, suggestions?

(I want to avoid writing out individual x - what if the dimensions of the matrix are countible? Would take a long time to write them out xD)

Google 'matrix column operations'; for example, see
http://stattrek.com/matrix-algebra/elementary-operations.aspx
or
https://unapologetic.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/elementary-row-and-column-operations/

These show explicitly how to find the matrix X. (They leave unanswered the question of whether X is unique---they just show how to find one possible X.)
 
Okay, if I approach this deductively, then
a&#039;_{11} = a_{11}\cdot x_{11} + a_{12}\cdot x_{21} + a_{13}\cdot x_{31} + a_{14}\cdot x_{41} = a_{11} if x11 = 1, then the other three summands would sum to 0 and the resulting matrix is very similar to the identity matrix, BUT
x11 does not have to be 1 in which case everything breaks.

Intuitively I am quite sure that the X is the identity matrix with 2, 4 column swapped - but this is all deduction based math. I am not satisfied.
 
nuuskur said:
Okay, if I approach this deductively, then
a&#039;_{11} = a_{11}\cdot x_{11} + a_{12}\cdot x_{21} + a_{13}\cdot x_{31} + a_{14}\cdot x_{41} = a_{11} if x11 = 1, then the other three summands would sum to 0 and the resulting matrix is very similar to the identity matrix, BUT
x11 does not have to be 1 in which case everything breaks.

Intuitively I am quite sure that the X is the identity matrix with 2, 4 column swapped - but this is all deduction based math. I am not satisfied.

What is unsatisfactory about it? What is wrong with building on past knowledge developed by others?
 

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