Finding Magnitude & Direction of Force & Torque Exerted by B on Coil

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The problem involves a coil of wire with multiple loops placed in a magnetic field, requiring the calculation of the force exerted on a segment of the coil and the torque on the coil itself. The magnetic field has components in the x and z directions, and a current flows through the coil.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for the force on a current-carrying wire in a magnetic field and explore how to apply it given the vector nature of the magnetic field. There are attempts to calculate the force using the cross product and questions about the correct approach to find the magnitude of the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the cross product to find the force vector and emphasized the need to calculate the magnitude of the resulting vector. There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with participants questioning their results and the proper method to arrive at the correct answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the application of vector operations, indicating a need for clarification on the setup and assumptions regarding the magnetic field and current direction.

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Homework Statement



A coil of wire consisting of 40 rectangular loops, with width 16 cm and height 30 cm, is placed in a constant magnetic field given by
B = 0.055Tx + 0.210T.z
The coil is hinged to a fixed thin rod along the y-axis (along segment da in the figure) and is originally located in the xy-plane. A current of 0.150 A runs through the wire.http://www.webassign.net/bauerphys1/27-p-051.gifWhat are the magnitude and the direction of force, Fbc, that B exerts on segment bc of the coil?
magnitude Fbc =
direction °
What are the magnitude and the direction of the torque, t, that B exerts on the coil?
magnitude t =

The Attempt at a Solution



i am just lost

i have the formulas but I'm not sure how to find the magnitube for B
hints pleasE?
 
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What's the formula for the force of a magnetic field on a current carrying wire of a given length?
 


F = ILB
yeah but B is in x and z direction so do i just do

0.15 A * 0.3 M * (0.055T x + 0.210T z)

and then do i square x and z then rad it? i tried that but it's not right
 


yjk91 said:
F = ILB
yeah but B is in x and z direction so do i just do

0.15 A * 0.3 M * (0.055T x + 0.210T z)

and then do i square x and z then rad it? i tried that but it's not right

It's a vector equation:
\vec{F} = I \; \vec{L} \times \vec{B}
In this case you have 40 wires of length 30cm all carrying the same current I, so multiply the result by 40.
\vec{F} = 40I \; \vec{L} \times \vec{B}
You should be able to write vectors for both L and B and perform the cross product (do it manually, it's probably easier). The result will be your force vector.
 


so

40 * .15 * 0.3 X (0.055x + 0.210z)


using the cross product i get (0.3 * .21, 0 , -.3*.055)
if i add them i get 0.0465

and 40 * .15 * .0465 = .279 N

is this right?
 


yjk91 said:
so

40 * .15 * 0.3 X (0.055x + 0.210z)


using the cross product i get (0.3 * .21, 0 , -.3*.055)
if i add them i get 0.0465

and 40 * .15 * .0465 = .279 N

is this right?

The cross product yields a vector, so you can't just add the components. You have to take the magnitude of the vector to find the magnitude of the force. First write out all three components of the force vector.
 

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