Torque on a Coil: 20-Turn Rectangular Coil in Mag Field

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a rectangular 20-turn coil of wire situated in a magnetic field. The coil's dimensions are specified, and it carries a current while being hinged along one side. The objective is to determine the torque acting on the coil about the hinge line, given its orientation relative to the magnetic field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the application of the magnetic force equation and the torque equation, questioning the effects of the coil's multiple turns on the net torque calculation. There are discussions on the direction of the torque and the correct application of the right-hand rule.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and corrections regarding the calculations and assumptions made. There is recognition of the need to account for the number of turns in the coil, and some participants are reconsidering the direction of the torque based on their calculations.

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Some participants note potential confusion regarding the unit vectors and the axis of rotation, which may affect the interpretation of the torque direction. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of accurately defining the axes for clarity in calculations.

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Homework Statement



The attachment shows a rectangular ##20-turn## coil of wire, of dimensions ##10 cm## by ##5.0 cm##. It carries a current of ##0.10A## and is hinged along one long side. It is mounted in the x-y plane, at angle ##θ = 30°## to the direction of a uniform magnetic field of magnitude ##0.50 T##. In unit-vector notation, what is the torque acting on the coil about the hinge line?

Homework Equations



##(1) \quad \vec F_B = i(\vec L \times \vec B)##, where ##\vec L## is assumed in the direction of conventional current.

##(2) \quad \vec{\tau} = \vec{\mu} \times \vec B##, where ##\vec{\mu}## is the magnetic dipole moment with magnitude ##NiA##.

The Attempt at a Solution



The magnetic field has components given by:

##\vec B_x = B cos(\theta) \hat i = (0.50 T) cos(30°) \hat i = (0.433 \hat i) T = (0.43 \hat i) T##
##\vec B_z = B sin(\theta) \hat j = (0.50 T) sin(30°) \hat j = (0.25 \hat j) T##

For the portion of coil along the torque axis, the ##x## component passes through the axis and therefore causes no torque about it.

For the two horizontal portions of coil, the angle between the magnetic field and length vector is zero, so that ##\vec F_B = 0##. Hence no torque.

The ##x## component causes torque only for the portion of the coil located at ##x = 0.050 m## and nowhere else along the coil. This is because the direction of the magnetic force given by the right hand rule is in the ##+ z## direction for that segment of coil.

The ##z## component passes through the hinge line. Therefore, it causes no torque about the axis for the segment of coil along the axis.

Examining the two horizontal portions of the coil, we can observe no torque due to the ##z## component again. This is because if the fingers on the right hand are extended in the direction of the conventional current, the right hand rule gives two magnetic forces pointing in the ##+y## and ##-y## directions. These forces are along the axis of rotation, and therefore produce no torque about it.

For the segment of coil located at ##x = 0.050 m##, the ##z## component again causes no torque. This is because the right hand rule gives the magnetic force in the ##- x## direction. The force passes through the torque axis, hence no torque about that axis.

So the ##z## component causes no net torque at all. The net torque seems to be caused by only the ##x## component of the magnetic field acting along the length of coil at ##x = 0.050 m##.

Assuming counter-clockwise is positive, the magnetic force acting on that part of the coil is given by:

##\vec F_{B_x} = i(\vec L \times \vec B_x) = (0.10 A)[(- 0.10 m)\hat k \times (0.433 T) \hat i] = (0.00433 \hat j) N = (0.0043 \hat j) N##

Hence the force points in the ##+ z## direction. The torque caused by this force can be found by using a position vector ##\vec r = (0.050 \hat i) m##:

##\vec{\tau} = \vec r \times \vec F_{B_x} = ((0.050 \hat i)m) \times ((0.00433 \hat j) N) = (- 0.00022 \hat k) N \cdot m##

Since counter-clockwise was assumed positive and we got a negative answer, the torque is actually in the clockwise direction about the hinge axis.

Could we have used equation ##(2)##?

##\vec{\tau} = \vec{\mu} \times \vec B_x = (20*0.10*0.0050 \hat j) \times (0.433 \hat i) N \cdot m = (0.00433 \hat k) N \cdot m = (0.0043 \hat k) N \cdot m##

Why are the answers different? How would I do this properly if I messed up something somewhere?
 

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Zondrina said:
##\vec{\tau} = \vec r \times \vec F_{B_x} = ((0.050 \hat i)m) \times ((0.00433 \hat j) N) = (- 0.00022 \hat k) N \cdot m##

Did you take into account the 20 turns?

Everything else looks very good to me. :smile:
 
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TSny said:
Did you take into account the 20 turns?

Everything else looks very good to me. :smile:

Ohhhh -facepalm- sorry about that. The magnetic force acts on each coil separately, and so:

##\vec F_{net} = 20 * \vec F_{B_x}##

Then ##\vec{\tau} = \vec r \times \vec F_{net} = (0.0043 \hat k) N \cdot m##.

Thank you.
 
Upon further inspection I noticed that when I calculated the torque using ##(2)##:

##\vec{\tau} = \vec{\mu} \times \vec B_x = (20*0.10*0.0050 \hat j) \times (0.433 \hat i) N \cdot m = (0.00433 \hat k) N \cdot m = (0.0043 \hat k) N \cdot m##

I assumed that counter-clockwise was positive and got a positive answer. This should not be correct.

Applying the right hand rule properly this time ##\vec{\mu}## is actually in the ##- \hat j## direction. Then assuming counter-clockwise would produce a consistent result with the ##\vec{\tau} = \vec r \times \vec F_{net}## calculation.

Sorry for the formalities.
 
Oops, I didn't notice the mistakes in unit vectors. The axis of rotation is along the y axis. Your torque vector should therefore be parallel to the y-axis (either +j or -j).

μ is not in the -j direction. Notice how the axes are labeled.
 
TSny said:
Oops, I didn't notice the mistakes in unit vectors. The axis of rotation is along the y axis. Your torque vector should therefore be parallel to the y-axis (either +j or -j).

μ is not in the -j direction. Notice how the axes are labeled.

Ah I was curious about that. I switched my vectors around and got the right answer though.

From now on I'll probably re-define the axes for simplicity.
 

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