Finding Mass from Charge and Gravitational Attraction

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The problem involves two particles with equal mass that have charges of 1.0 µC and 1.0 nC. The objective is to determine the mass required for their mutual gravitational attraction to overcome their Coulomb repulsion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of Coulomb's law and gravitational force equations, questioning the necessary parameters such as distance and the meanings of charge notations (µ and n).

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the notation for micro and nano, while others are exploring the correct equations for gravitational and electrostatic forces. There is an ongoing inquiry into the values needed to equate these forces.

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Participants express uncertainty about the values of distance and the definitions of charge units, which are critical for solving the problem. There is also mention of previous knowledge gaps in physics that may affect understanding.

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Homework Statement


Two particles with equal mass have charges 1.0uC and 1.0nC, respectively. What must be their mass if their mutual gravitational attraction is to overcome their Coulomb repulsion?


Homework Equations



F = kQ1Q2/r^2

and maybe

n = Mbody/M

The Attempt at a Solution



At first I thought I could use the first formula, where k = 9 x 10^9 Nm^2/C^2, Q1 = 1uC and Q2 = 1nC
but then i realized that
1) I don't have the distance and
2) I have no clue what the values of "u" and "n" are.

So then I thought, to use the second since I DO need the mass, but I do not know thw values of n and M.

I am lost, any help is much appreciated!
Thanks
 
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First, what are you referring to with
n = Mbody/M?

There are two kinds of force equations you need
describing
(1) gravitational attraction
(2) electrostatic attraction

you have the second one, ie coulombs law...
what is the equation for gravitational attraction?
ie... F=...

when you get that, you can equate the equations to see what masses you need to overcome the electrostatic repulsion

oh also, the "u" and "n" denote powers of 10
just like cm = 10^-2 and mm = 10^-3
google for these values, you should learn them, they will help for all your science classes
 
johnj7 said:
First, what are you referring to with
n = Mbody/M?
I was going through my book, and saw this formula to obtain the number of water molecules in an object, I thought it could be helpful since mass is involved

There are two kinds of force equations you need
describing
(1) gravitational attraction
(2) electrostatic attraction

you have the second one, ie coulombs law...
what is the equation for gravitational attraction?
ie... F=...

I see, you are talking about
F=G(mass1)(mass2)/d^2

when you get that, you can equate the equations to see what masses you need to overcome the electrostatic repulsion

oh also, the "u" and "n" denote powers of 10
just like cm = 10^-2 and mm = 10^-3
google for these values, you should learn them, they will help for all your science classes

I am still a bit confused about this,
how many power of 10 does "u" represent?
and "n"?

Thanks for your help, I took physics about 2 years ago and I am having problems with this class
 
here you go, this should help
http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/chemdata/prefix.htm

u = micro
n = nano
 
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Often, "u" is used to represent the Greek letter mu when you are limited to standard keyboard text characters. So micrometers are written um, microcoulombs are written uC, etc.

edit: johnj7 beat me to it
 
johnj7 said:
here you go, this should help
http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/chemdata/prefix.htm

u = micro
n = nano

Thanks a lot!
 
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