Finding mass of an object being pulled on a slope

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a girl pulling a sled up a slope, focusing on forces, friction, and acceleration. The scenario includes specific parameters such as mass, coefficients of friction, and the angle of the slope.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the net forces acting on the girl and the sled, questioning the signs and components in their equations. There are attempts to clarify the application of Newton's second law and the definitions of forces involved.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on reviewing the equations and definitions of forces. There is a recognition of potential errors in calculations and a call for clearer communication of thought processes.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the direction of forces and the definitions of terms used in their calculations. There is a mention of a typo affecting calculations, but it is noted that this does not impact the overall approach being discussed.

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Homework Statement


A girl of mass mg = 52 kg is pulling a sled up a slippery slope. The coefficient of friction between the girl's boots and the slope is µs = 0.157; the friction between the sled and the slope is negligible. The girl can pull the sled up the slope with a ≤ a max = 0.015 m/s2 before she begins to slip. Assume the rope connecting the girl to the sled is kept parallel to the slope at all times. The angle of the slope is θ = 8°.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Net Force on girl:

T=mg(a+gsin(8)+Us(gcos(8))
T=52(((0.015+(9.8sin8)+(0.157)(9.8)(cos8))
T=150.9N

Net Force on sled:

ma=T-mgsin8
m(a+gsin8)=T
m= (150.9)/(0.015+9.8sin8)
m= 109.5 kg

It's wrong. Anything I did wrong? Appreciate any help!
 
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You might want to check the signs in your equations.
 
Orodruin said:
You might want to check the signs in your equations.

Should I be subtracting the first part so

T=mg(a+gsin(8)-Us(gcos(8))

I really am lost now.
 
So go back to Newton's second law. What does it tell you?

Edit: You also have a g too much multiplying that parenthesis.
 
Orodruin said:
So go back to Newton's second law. What does it tell you?

Edit: You also have a g too much multiplying that parenthesis.

a=Fnet/m I don't know where to go from here. I already broke into FBD and tried to solve it already. When I redid it I ended up with the same thing.

Oh, that g is a typo so it's not affecting my current calculation.

T=mg(a+gsin(8)-Us(gcos(8))
 
NostNagalfar said:
Oh, that g is a typo so it's not affecting my current calculation.

T=mg(a+gsin(8)-Us(gcos(8))
There it is again ...

NostNagalfar said:
I broke into FBD and tried to solve it already.
Yes, this is a good way to go. So which forces act on the girl (along the slope direction) and in which direction do they act? Which direction do you define as positive? Uphill or downhill?
 
Orodruin said:
There it is again ...Yes, this is a good way to go. So which forces act on the girl (along the slope direction) and in which direction do they act? Which direction do you define as positive? Uphill or downhill?

T=m(a+gsin(8)-Us(gcos(8)) my bad.

In the y-direction there is a component of weight and also the normal force. positive would be uphill. so the component of weight is negative and the normal force would be positive. Now I get: Fny=m(a+gcos8) so here I would subtract the x component? adding sounds more correct.
 
You are trying to go too fast and somehow mess up. You have not said what your "y-direction" is and we are not mind readers. You have also not defined Fny.

Write down, in turn and for each force acting on the girl: 1) The kind of force. 2) Its magnitude. 3) Its direction along the slope.

It will help you organize yourself to write these things down.
 
Orodruin said:
You are trying to go too fast and somehow mess up. You have not said what your "y-direction" is and we are not mind readers. You have also not defined Fny.

Write down, in turn and for each force acting on the girl: 1) The kind of force. 2) Its magnitude. 3) Its direction along the slope.

It will help you organize yourself to write these things down.

I have written it down, the y direction would be the direction of Fn in this case.

But thanks for the help, I'll do it later. No need to reply after this.
 
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NostNagalfar said:
I have written it down, the y direction would be the direction of Fn in this case.
No you have not. How are we supposed to help you figure out where you went wrong when you refuse to show how you have been thinking? To tell me that you have it written down on a paper tells me absolutely nothing about how you have been thinking with respect to the actual problem.
You also cannot say "the direction of Fn" without defining in thread what Fn is.
 

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