Finding maximum height of an object with no acceleration or velocity provided

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The problem involves a football kicked straight up into the air, with the goal of determining the maximum height reached and the initial speed of the ball. The ball is observed to hit the ground after 5.2 seconds, and the discussion revolves around the application of kinematic equations under the influence of gravity.

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations, particularly one involving initial velocity, acceleration, and time. There is an exploration of energy conservation as a potential approach. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding initial and final positions, as well as the treatment of variables in the equations.

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There are multiple interpretations of the problem, with participants offering different approaches to find the initial velocity and maximum height. Some guidance has been provided regarding the symmetry of the motion and the implications of gravity on the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or values.

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Participants note the challenge of having two unknowns (initial velocity and maximum height) with only one equation initially presented. There is also mention of the need to clarify the assumptions about the starting and ending positions of the ball.

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Homework Statement


A football is kicked straight into up into the air; it hits the ground 5.2s later.

What was the greatest height reached by the ball? Assume its kicked from ground level.

With what speed did it leave the kicker's foot?



Homework Equations



xf=xi + (vx)i + 1/2Ax(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve by using the above formula, but had nothing to plug in for velocity, I know that g=9.8m/s, and I believe that that -g would be the acceleration of the object, but I am unsure of how to progress in the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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You have two unknowns and one equation, so you need another equation. Hint: Energy is conserved.
 
BioMan789 said:

Homework Statement


A football is kicked straight into up into the air; it hits the ground 5.2s later.

What was the greatest height reached by the ball? Assume its kicked from ground level.

With what speed did it leave the kicker's foot?



Homework Equations



xf=xi + (vx)i + 1/2Ax(t)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve by using the above formula, but had nothing to plug in for velocity, I know that g=9.8m/s, and I believe that that -g would be the acceleration of the object, but I am unsure of how to progress in the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Welcome to Physics Forums, BioMan789.

You are correct that the acceleration is due only to gravity, so substitute -g. You have nothing to substitute for vxi because that is what you are looking for.

Do you see that you know both xf and xi? With those you have enough information to solve.

An alternate approach is to use the fact that the trip up and down are symmetrical and the velocity at the mid point is 0 m/s. If you can find the landing velocity, you also know the launch velocity.
 
We went over something similar to this in class this week. It looks to me like you'r eon the correct track with -g. You know two of three parts of the v0+at equation (with a being -g), so find the unknown (v0) and continue from there...
 
Fewmet said:
Welcome to Physics Forums, BioMan789.

You are correct that the acceleration is due only to gravity, so substitute -g. You have nothing to substitute for vxi because that is what you are looking for.

Do you see that you know both xf and xi? With those you have enough information to solve.

An alternate approach is to use the fact that the trip up and down are symmetrical and the velocity at the mid point is 0 m/s. If you can find the landing velocity, you also know the launch velocity.

When I try to solve for the velocity (Vx)i, I plug in 0 for xf (when the ball lands) and 0 for xi (assume the ball is kicked from ground level), and am left with 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t^2) , then solving for x, I factored it to have -x(4.9x - 5.2)=0, and solved x, which is (Vx)i to be 1.06m/s. Apparently this is not the right answer (according to the provided answer by the physics question site). I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 
BioMan789 said:
When I try to solve for the velocity (Vx)i, I plug in 0 for xf (when the ball lands) and 0 for xi (assume the ball is kicked from ground level), and am left with 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t^2) , then solving for x, I factored it to have -x(4.9x - 5.2)=0, and solved x, which is (Vx)i to be 1.06m/s. Apparently this is not the right answer (according to the provided answer by the physics question site). I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

There is some algebra problem there that I cannot figure out. Could it be that you are treating the V and x in Vx as two variables? The symbol (Vx)i is the initial velocity in the x-direction.

You had 0=0 + (Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2g(t2)

From that it follows that
0=(Vx)i*(5.2s) -1/2(9.8 m/s2)(5.2s2)

Solving for (Vx)i, I get 25.48 m/s.
 

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