Finding Minimum A for Equilibrium in a Two Block Problem

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The discussion revolves around a two-block equilibrium problem involving angles, tensions, and forces. Participants are exploring the relationships between the angles and the forces acting on the blocks, particularly focusing on the angles beta and alpha.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the determination of angles in the context of the problem, particularly the relationship between beta and alpha. There are discussions about drawing diagrams to visualize the problem, and some participants express confusion about the equations and values used in their calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the drawing of diagrams and the interpretation of angles, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may involve specific assumptions about the setup and the forces acting on the blocks. There is a mention of needing to find the minimum A for equilibrium, indicating a potential variation in the problem's parameters.

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Homework Statement
Given the weight of block A, friction coefficients and an angle determine the max.weight of B for which the system will stay in balanc
Relevant Equations
fg=µ1N

T2=T1e^(µ2β)
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You have ##\beta=\alpha+90^o##. Check that.
 
So it should be -90? I don really understand how I have to determine the angle
 
goodOrBad said:
So it should be -90? I don really understand how I have to determine the angle
Did you draw a diagram of the circle with radii to the ends of where the string arcs over it?
 
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no, but it does seem like the rope arcs over a 90 degree area
 
goodOrBad said:
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no, but it does seem like the rope arcs over a 90 degree area
If the upper section of the string were horizontal it would be 90 degrees. But it isn't.
Mark the ends of string contact on that circle.
 
Okay so
cos30T1=0.3*500
T1=173.205
B=173.205*e^(0.2*300* π/180)=493.574N
 
goodOrBad said:
cos30T1=0.3*500
That looks like a big step backwards.
What is wrong with the equations you had previously, ##T_1\cos(30)=\mu_1N=\mu_1(500+T_1\sin(30))##?
goodOrBad said:
e^(0.2*300* π/180)
300? Where did that come from? Or did you mean 30o?
No, not 30o either.
Did you draw the diagram I described?
 
then beta should be 60 right?
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Great then this should be correct
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Thank you now I have one more question, what if almost everything was the same but... I was given weight of B and needed to find A, would I be able to use T2=T1e^(µ2β)
 
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goodOrBad said:
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Thank you now I have one more question, what if almost everything was the same but... I was given weight of B and needed to find A, would I be able to use T2=T1e^(µ2β)
To find the minimum A for equilibrium? Sure - why should the equations change?
 
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