Finding Momentum Mean & Variance from Wavefunction

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The discussion revolves around finding the mean momentum ##\langle p\rangle## and the uncertainty in momentum ##\Delta p## from a Gaussian momentum space wavefunction. Participants explore methods to derive these quantities, considering both momentum and position wavefunctions, and the implications of the Schrödinger equation in momentum space.

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  • One participant presents a Gaussian momentum space wavefunction and expresses a desire to find the mean momentum and uncertainty, noting the complexity of the required integrals.
  • Another participant suggests that there may not be a quicker method and emphasizes the necessity of working with integrals and Fourier transforms.
  • A different participant explains the momentum-space Schrödinger equation and provides the solution, indicating that the momentum distribution remains unchanged over time.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the Schrödinger equation in momentum space, expressing uncertainty about their approach and inviting corrections.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a quicker method to find the mean momentum and uncertainty. There are multiple approaches discussed, including the use of the Schrödinger equation in momentum space, but no agreement on a definitive solution is evident.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the wavefunction and the mathematical operations involved, but these assumptions are not fully explored or resolved.

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I've a Gaussian momentum space wavefunction as ##\phi(p)=\left(\frac{1}{2 \pi \beta^{2}}\right)^{1 / 4} e^{-\left(p-p_{0}\right)^{2} / 4 \beta^{2}}##

So that ##|\phi(p)|^{2}=\frac{e^{-\left(p-p_{0}\right)^{2} / 2 \beta^{2}}}{\beta \sqrt{2 \pi}}##

Also then ##\psi(x, t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi {\hbar}}} \int_{-\infty}^{} \phi(p) e^{i px/ {\hbar} } e^{-i p^{2} t / 2 m
{\hbar} } d p##

hence ##\phi(p, t)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi h}} \int_{}^{} \psi(x, t) e^{-i px / {\hbar} } d x##I want to find ##\langle p\rangle## and ##\Delta p## at any time ##t##. I can use the momentum or position wavefunction to do that, however I'm getting large number of integrals.

Is there any quicker way to find them in this case?
 
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Kashmir said:
Is there any quicker way to find them in this case?
Probably not. In any case, you have to learn to work with these integrals and Fourier transforms.

If you work in momentum space, then you need the momentum-space version of the SDE to get the time-dependent wave-function. Perhaps that is simplest?
 
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PeroK said:
Probably not. In any case, you have to learn to work with these integrals and Fourier transforms.

If you work in momentum space, then you need the momentum-space version of the SDE to get the time-dependent wave-function. Perhaps that is simplest?
Thank you. :)
 
But you have the solution in momentum space. Since ##\hat{H}=\hat{p}^2/(2m)## in momentum space the Schrödinger equation reads
$$\mathrm{i} \hbar \partial_t \phi(p,t)=\frac{p^2}{2m} \phi(p,t)$$
with the solution
$$\phi(p,t)=\exp \left (-\frac{\mathrm{i} p^2 t}{2m \hbar} \right) \phi_0(p).$$
Correspondingly the momentum distribution doesn't change,
$$|\phi(p,t)|^2=|\phi_0(p)|^2.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
But you have the solution in momentum space. Since ##\hat{H}=\hat{p}^2/(2m)## in momentum space the Schrödinger equation reads
$$\mathrm{i} \hbar \partial_t \phi(p,t)=\frac{p^2}{2m} \phi(p,t)$$
with the solution
$$\phi(p,t)=\exp \left (-\frac{\mathrm{i} p^2 t}{2m \hbar} \right) \phi_0(p).$$
Correspondingly the momentum distribution doesn't change,
$$|\phi(p,t)|^2=|\phi_0(p)|^2.$$
I've not done Schrödinger equation in momentum space but this is my attempt. If it's wrong please tell me:

By operation of a momentum bra on first equation we've the second one

##\begin{aligned} i \hbar \frac{d}{d t}|\psi\rangle &=\frac{1}{2 m} \hat{p}^{2}|\psi\rangle \\ i{\hbar} \frac{d}{d t} \phi(p, t) &=\frac{1}{2 m}\left\langle p\left|\hat{p}^{2}\right| \psi\right\rangle \end{aligned}##Now ##\langle p|\hat{p} \cdot \hat{p}| \psi\rangle## can be evaluated by noting that ##p<p \mid=\langle p| \hat{p}##

So We get ##i \hbar \frac{d}{d t} \phi(p ,t)=(p^{2}/2m). \phi(p,t)##
 
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