Finding Net Force: Solve w/ F=ma

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The discussion revolves around calculating net force using Newton's second law (F=ma) in the context of two crates interacting with each other. Participants are exploring how to determine the force exerted by one crate on another while considering the effects of acceleration and weight.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the forces acting on the crates and their acceleration. Questions are raised about how to derive the force exerted by the smaller crate on the larger one and the reasoning behind specific numerical answers provided in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations being explored regarding the forces acting on the crates. Some participants have offered mathematical relationships to clarify how to calculate the forces involved, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of specific values and their implications for an upcoming test.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of an upcoming test and are concerned about the accuracy of the multiple-choice options provided. There is also a discussion about the relevance of gravitational force in the context of horizontal motion.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


According to Newton's 3rd law, the box pushes back on the person 36N. But I don't know how you find how much force the smaller crate exerts on the larger one.
 
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If there is a net force pushing on both crates of 36N, then the crates are accelerating aren't they?

If the 20 kg crate is accelerating at that rate, then what must the force be on it to make it accelerate at that rate?
 


I'm not sure I totally understand how they got 30N as an answer. Our test is coming up soon and I was worried if the multiple choice might be closer to the real answer like C. 25 D.33
Weight is a measurement of force so I used w=mg. 20kg*9.8=196N ??
 


okgo said:
I'm not sure I totally understand how they got 30N as an answer. Our test is coming up soon and I was worried if the multiple choice might be closer to the real answer like C. 25 D.33
Weight is a measurement of force so I used w=mg. 20kg*9.8=196N ??

F = m*a

Sure m*g is weight normal to the surface, but you are dealing with horizontal motion which has no interaction with gravity, unless there is friction dependent on the weight.

Your concern here is horizontal forces..

As to where the 30 comes from :

F2 = m2/(m1+m2)*F = 20/24*36 = 30
 


Or more formally since you know acceleration for the system is a constant a, then you know that

F2/m2 = F/(m1+m2)

Hence

F2 = m2/(m1+m2)*F

where F is the total applied force.
 

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