Finding potential difference across capacitor plates?

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The problem involves two identical capacitors, one empty and the other filled with a dielectric material, and seeks to determine the potential difference across the dielectric-filled capacitor so that it stores the same electrical energy as the empty capacitor connected to a battery.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the empty capacitor and question how to equate the energy stored in both capacitors. There is uncertainty about the relationships between capacitance, dielectric constants, and the potential difference.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationships between the capacitors' properties and attempting to derive expressions for their capacitance. There is ongoing dialogue about the assumptions regarding the dielectric constant and the implications of the empty capacitor.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the known variables and the implications of having an empty capacitor, as well as the need for clarity on how to approach the problem without complete information.

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Homework Statement


Two capacitors are identical, except that one is empty and the other is filled with a dielectric (k=3.6). The empty capacitor is connected to a -11V battery. What must be the potential difference across the plates of the capacitor filled with a dielectric so that it stores the same amount of electrical energy as the empty capacity?


Homework Equations


C=q/V C=kε°0)A/d E=q/(ε°)A
Estored=1/2qv = 1/2 cv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really know what to do. I'm guessing that there's a lack of information but however the part about the empty capacitor, that would mean Estored = 0 right? But even though I plug in something with zero and solve for C, C would be zero which would mean 0=q/V or the other equation and if I solve for a variable it would be just zero.

I'm guessing my logic is probably wrong but I'm really lost. I basically have only 2 known variables from the question.
Any help would be awesome!
 
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Empty capacitor means that the space between the plates is not filled with dielectric.

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So does that mean I let C=kε°A/d equal to each other so kε°A/d=kε°A/d?
And then from that plug in 3.6 for one of the k, and 1 for the other?
And from that, the k's will cancel, the A's will cancel b/c identical, and I'm not sure about the d's. Well is that the right method or am I still doing something wrong?
 
cheap_noob said:
So does that mean I let C=kε°A/d equal to each other so kε°A/d=kε°A/d?
And then from that plug in 3.6 for one of the k, and 1 for the other?
And from that, the k's will cancel, the A's will cancel b/c identical, and I'm not sure about the d's. Well is that the right method or am I still doing something wrong?

How would the k's cancel if they are not the same?
 
gneill said:
How would the k's cancel if they are not the same?

Oops sorry. Well I meant that there will be a ratio when you divide one by the other; when transferring k over to solve for the unknown variable, there will be an actual number
Anyways I'm still lost
 
cheap_noob said:
Oops sorry. Well I meant that there will be a ratio when you divide one by the other; when transferring k over to solve for the unknown variable, there will be an actual number
Anyways I'm still lost

Start by working out how the values of the two capacitors are related (write an expression).
 

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