Finding Recursion Relations for Coefficients in Power Series Solutions for ODEs

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The discussion revolves around finding the recursion relation for the coefficients in a power series solution for the ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y''' + x^2y' + xy = 0. The original poster attempts to express the solution as a power series around x=0 and derive relationships between the coefficients.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the power series and the derivation of the recursion relation for the coefficients. The original poster presents their attempts at expressing the derivatives and combining terms to form equations. Some participants question the feasibility of obtaining a closed form solution for the recursion relations and explore the implications of having a limited number of free parameters.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the recursion relations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the sequences formed by the coefficients, and there is an exploration of how to express these relationships without reaching a consensus on a specific method or solution.

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There is a recognition of the complexity involved in solving the recursive equations and the potential limitations in finding closed form solutions. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to relate the coefficients together effectively.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to find the recursion relation for the coefficients of the series around x=0 for the ODE: y'''+x^2y'+xy=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Therefore letting:

y=\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m

\therefore y'=\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}

\therefore y''=\sum_{m=2}^\infty m(m-1)y_mx^{m-2}

\therefore y'''=\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}


Subbing this back in gives:

\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}+x^2\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}+x\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m=0

Fixing y''':

\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}=\sum_{m=2}^\infty (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}x^{m}+6y_3+24xy_4

Fixing y':

x^2\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}=\sum_{m=2}^\infty (m-1)y_{m-1}x^m

Fixing y:

x\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m=\sum_{m=2}^\infty y_{m-1}x^m+xy_0


Therefore combining these terms gives:

\sum_{m=2}^\infty\left[(m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+(m-1)y_{m-1}+y_{m-1}\right]x^m+6y_3+xy_0+24xy_4=0


Therefore I have two equations which sum to 0, with one of them being this:


6y_3+xy_0+24xy_4=0

\therefore y_3=0 and y_4=-\frac{1}{24}y_0


Using the other equation:


(m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+(m-1)y_{m-1}+y_{m-1}=0

\therefore (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+y_{m-1}((m-1)+1)=0

\therefore y_{m+3}=-\frac{y_{m-1}m}{ (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)}

This gives me:
y_3=0
y_4=-\frac{1}{24}y_0
y_5=-\frac{1}{30}y_1
y_6=-\frac{1}{40}y_2

The problem is I am not sure how to relate these together to solve the recursion! Any help is much appreciated.
 
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It is rare that one can solve recursive equations for a "closed form" solution. Do you have reason to believe you can here?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
It is rare that one can solve recursive equations for a "closed form" solution. Do you have reason to believe you can here?

Hm I am thinking then that there is a limited number of free parameters? So to answer your question, I have no good reason to believe a closed form solution exists. So how would I comment on the number of free parameters? Does this mean anything?
 
Rct33 said:

Homework Statement



I am trying to find the recursion relation for the coefficients of the series around x=0 for the ODE: y'''+x^2y'+xy=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Therefore letting:

y=\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m

\therefore y'=\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}

\therefore y''=\sum_{m=2}^\infty m(m-1)y_mx^{m-2}

\therefore y'''=\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}


Subbing this back in gives:

\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}+x^2\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}+x\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m=0

Fixing y''':

\sum_{m=3}^\infty m(m-1)(m-2)y_mx^{m-3}=\sum_{m=2}^\infty (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}x^{m}+6y_3+24xy_4

Fixing y':

x^2\sum_{m=1}^\infty my_mx^{m-1}=\sum_{m=2}^\infty (m-1)y_{m-1}x^m

Fixing y:

x\sum_{m=0}^\infty y_mx^m=\sum_{m=2}^\infty y_{m-1}x^m+xy_0


Therefore combining these terms gives:

\sum_{m=2}^\infty\left[(m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+(m-1)y_{m-1}+y_{m-1}\right]x^m+6y_3+xy_0+24xy_4=0


Therefore I have two equations which sum to 0, with one of them being this:


6y_3+xy_0+24xy_4=0

\therefore y_3=0 and y_4=-\frac{1}{24}y_0


Using the other equation:


(m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+(m-1)y_{m-1}+y_{m-1}=0

\therefore (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)y_{m+3}+y_{m-1}((m-1)+1)=0

\therefore y_{m+3}=-\frac{y_{m-1}m}{ (m+1)(m+2)(m+3)}

This gives me:
y_3=0
y_4=-\frac{1}{24}y_0
y_5=-\frac{1}{30}y_1
y_6=-\frac{1}{40}y_2

The problem is I am not sure how to relate these together to solve the recursion! Any help is much appreciated.

You have
y_{m+3} = - \frac{y_{m-1} m}{(m+ 1)(m + 2)(m + 3)}
or
y_{m+4} = - \frac{y_m (m+1)}{(m+2)(m+ 3)(m+ 4)}

Thus you have four independent sequences y_{4n + k} for k = 0,1,2,3. Setting m = 4n + k then gives
<br /> y_{4(n+1)+k} = - \frac{y_{4n + k} (4n + k +1)}{(4n + k +2)(4n + k + 3)(4n + k + 4)}<br />
Now, instead of having m increasing by 4 at each step, we have n increasing by 1, and to make things clearer we can set y_{4n + k} = a_n(k), so that
<br /> a_{n+1}(k) = - \frac{a_n(k) (4n + k +1)}{(4n + k +2)(4n + k + 3)(4n + k + 4)}<br />

One of the convenient aspects of homogenous linear recurrences is that we can deal with each factor multiplying a_{n} separately. The -1 is the easiest: we get a factor of (-1)^n. The factors which are linear in n are more difficult, and
<br /> b_{n+1} = (An + B)b_n<br />
doesn't have a solution other than the not closed-form
<br /> b_n = b_0\prod_{r = 0}^{n-1} (Ar + B)<br />
and similarly
<br /> b_{n+1} = \frac{b_n}{An + B}<br />
doesn't have a solution other than
<br /> b_n = b_0\prod_{r = 0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{Ar + B}<br />
(and we obviously require that there not exist any integer r \geq 0 for which Ar + B = 0).

If A = 1 (which in your problem it isn't) these products can be expressed in terms of factorials or gamma functions. If A were an integer and there were A factors (Ar + B)(Ar + B + 1) \cdots (Ar + B + A) (or (Ar + B)^{-1}(Ar + B + 1)^{-1} \cdots (Ar + B + A)^{-1}) then again there would be a solution in terms of factorials or gamma functions, but your problem doesn't have sufficient factors.

However, you can say that
<br /> y(x) = \sum_{m = 0}^{\infty} y_m x^m = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} x^{4n} (a_n(0) + a_n(1) x + a_n(2) x^2)<br />
since the initial condition y_3 = 0 requires that a_n(3) = 0 for all n.
 
Thank you so much, was a good read :smile:
 
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