Finding relative speed of space shuttle

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the relative speed of exhaust gas from a space shuttle during its launch, given parameters such as mass, acceleration, and fuel consumption rate. The context is rooted in classical mechanics and rocket propulsion principles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula involving mass and acceleration to find the exhaust speed but arrives at an incorrect conclusion. Another participant suggests a different equation that incorporates the natural logarithm of mass ratios and questions the initial and final conditions assumed in the problem. There is also a mention of the need for additional information regarding the shuttle's orbital height.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations to use, but there is no clear consensus on the correct approach or the necessary parameters.

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Homework Statement



The space shuttle, with an initial mass M = 2.81E+6 kg, is launched from the surface of the Earth with an initial net acceleration a = 17.5 m/s2. The rate of fuel consumption is R = 8.20E+3 kg/s. The mass of the shuttle when it reaches orbit is Mo = 6.74E+5 kg. What is the relative speed of the exhaust gas?


The Attempt at a Solution



I got exhaust v = ma dt /dm = 6 km/s

then I got relative speed = exhaust v * (M/Mfuel)

which Mfuel = (2.81* 10^6) - (6.74*10^5) = 2.136 * 10^6 kg

=> I got the relative speed = 1.65 kg/s which is NOT CORRECT!

Please help!
 
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Your equation for the speed isn't right.

Vshuttle_final=Vshuttle_initial+v_exhaust*ln(Mf/Mi)+a*t

Where I assume that the initial and final velocities of the shuttle are zero, starts from rest, and ends at orbit (rest).

Also, the fuel consumption will looks like this
dm/dt=R
mf=mi+Rt
which allows you to solve for t

I don't know what level of physics this is, so if you don't know differential equations (I assume you don't as this is "Introductory Physics") then I guess you have some formulas that you never listed. If you have done differential equations, work it out for yourself to see if what I say is true.
 
Ok, thanks for your help! ;)
 
Actually, I don't really know what I was saying earlier (it was the morning), you ought to know how high the shuttle orbits because you need that velocity as your final velocity, but the problem doesn't give it, huh...
 

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