Finding Relevant Velocities in Counter-Propagating Colliding Beams

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The discussion focuses on determining the relevant velocity (v2_rel) of particles in a counter-propagating colliding beam accelerator setup. The participants emphasize the need to clarify the definitions of v2 and v2_rel, as well as the reference frame used for calculations. It is established that in conventional accelerators, the relevant velocity (v1) is the velocity of the beam relative to a stationary target, while in the case of colliding beams, the relationship between v2 and v2_rel is not straightforward due to differing frames of reference. The lack of specific information regarding the frame of reference for v2 complicates the solution.

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In a conventional accelerator, the energy of the particles bombarding the target at rest is connected to their velocity by the relativistic formula where the relevant velocity of the bombarding particles v1 is the velocity relative to the target at rest, v1 = v1_rel. In an accelerator using two counter-propagating colliding beams of particles of equal energy, the energy of each beam is given by the same relativistic formula but the relevant velocity v2 [tex]\neq[/tex] v2_rel. Determine v2_rel, stating the reference frame you are using.

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I'm just not seeing something here. If I'm interpreting the question correctly, by 'relevant velocity' I presume it just means the velocity that was used to calculate the energy, which in the case of the first beam was the velocity of the beam relative to the target, but in the case of the second was not (?). So am I to take it that the energies have been calculated in different frames of ref, and happened to be equal on comparison? If so, not knowing what frame of reference was used to determine the second energy, I don't see that I can connect v2 and v2_rel, at the moment...

This is irritating me, as I'm sure the answer is simple, but I may not be interpreting the question correctly! Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Rory9 said:
In a conventional accelerator, the energy of the particles bombarding the target at rest is connected to their velocity by the relativistic formula where the relevant velocity of the bombarding particles v1 is the velocity relative to the target at rest, v1 = v1_rel. In an accelerator using two counter-propagating colliding beams of particles of equal energy, the energy of each beam is given by the same relativistic formula but the relevant velocity v2 [tex]\neq[/tex] v2_rel. Determine v2_rel, stating the reference frame you are using.
I don't understand the question. I don't think you are given enough information. What is the definition of v2? What is the definition of v2_rel?
 

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