Finding roots of this particular polynomial

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The discussion revolves around finding the roots of a curvature function derived from a given equation involving two parameters, a and b. The participants explore the mathematical challenges associated with differentiating the curvature and finding its roots, with a focus on algebraic solutions and the nature of the function involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a function y(x) and expresses difficulty in finding an algebraic solution for the maximum curvature k, particularly its roots as a function of parameters a and b.
  • Another participant challenges the classification of the function as a polynomial, suggesting that it is a rational function due to the division involved.
  • A participant requests clarification on the curvature equation derived from the function and emphasizes the need to find the first and second derivatives as initial steps.
  • One participant mentions their experience with polynomial division in a specific field, indicating that terminology may vary across disciplines.
  • A later reply provides the derived equation for curvature, highlighting the complexity of finding roots from the resulting expression.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the classification of the function as a polynomial versus a rational function. There is no consensus on the best approach to finding the roots of the curvature function, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions and classifications of the functions involved, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to differentiation and root-finding.

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Hey guys,

Nice to be on here.
I have been banging my brain for the last two weeks trying to come up with an algebraic solution to the following question - to no avail.
Any input would be MUCH appreciated!
The problem is somewhat long but can be summarized as follows:

Begin with the following equation as a function of x. There are two parameters, a and b, that could take on arithmetic values but I am more interested in a general solution:

[math]y(x)=\frac{b\left(1-x\right)}{b\left(1-x\right)+\left(1-a\right)x}[/math]

The curvature K of the above polynomial ought to be given by the the following differential equation which uses the first and second order derivatives of y(x), as follows:

\[ k= \frac{|\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}|}{[1 + (\frac{dy}{dx})^2]^\frac{3}{2}} \]

Now, I am actually interested in the maximum curvature k - which is why we need to differentiate k with respect to x and find its roots:

[math]𝑘′=\frac {d}{dx}k[/math]

Hence, I am interested in finding the roots of k' as a function of a and b, particularly for values of x between 0 and 1. I know a solution exists because graphically it is evident, as seen here, where the purple line (k') crosses the x-axis:

Graph.jpg


However, obtaining an algebraic solution as a function of a and b has been a challenge - hence my reaching out!

Any input you might have would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thank you in advance for any help you may offer!

-J
 
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First, that is NOT a polynomial. In any case have you found [math]\frac{dy}{dx}[/math] and [math]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}[/math]? That should be your first step.
 
Fine… if you’re in the field where division of polynomials isn’t a polynomial expression…regardless, when you derive the expression, the ensuing curvature equation doesn’t lend itself (in my limited experience) to finding the roots easily. Any leads?
 
JackDaniel87 said:
Fine… if you’re in the field where division of polynomials isn’t a polynomial expression…
In what field is that NOT true? The result of the "division of polynomials" is a "rational function".

Please show the equation you got for the curvature function.
 
Biostatistics you can multiply two polynomials one of which is to the power of -1. In any case, terminology aside: here's the equation for curvature:

\[ k= \frac{\left|-\frac{2b\left(a-1\right)\left(-b+1-a\right)}{\left(b\left(1-x\right)+x\left(1-a\right)\right)^{3}}\right|}{\left[1+\left(\frac{b\left(a-1\right)}{\left(b\left(1-x\right)+x\left(1-a\right)\right)^{2}}\right)^{2}\right]^{\frac{3}{2}}} \]
 

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