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The discussion centers on finding the roots of the curvature function derived from the equation y(x) = b(1-x)/(b(1-x) + (1-a)x). The user is seeking an algebraic solution for the maximum curvature k, which requires differentiating k with respect to x and identifying its roots within the interval [0, 1]. Participants clarify that the original expression is a rational function rather than a polynomial and emphasize the importance of first deriving the first and second derivatives of y(x). The conversation highlights the complexity of obtaining an algebraic solution for k' and invites further insights or leads on this mathematical challenge.
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Hey guys,

Nice to be on here.
I have been banging my brain for the last two weeks trying to come up with an algebraic solution to the following question - to no avail.
Any input would be MUCH appreciated!
The problem is somewhat long but can be summarized as follows:

Begin with the following equation as a function of x. There are two parameters, a and b, that could take on arithmetic values but I am more interested in a general solution:

[math]y(x)=\frac{b\left(1-x\right)}{b\left(1-x\right)+\left(1-a\right)x}[/math]

The curvature K of the above polynomial ought to be given by the the following differential equation which uses the first and second order derivatives of y(x), as follows:

\[ k= \frac{|\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}|}{[1 + (\frac{dy}{dx})^2]^\frac{3}{2}} \]

Now, I am actually interested in the maximum curvature k - which is why we need to differentiate k with respect to x and find its roots:

[math]𝑘′=\frac {d}{dx}k[/math]

Hence, I am interested in finding the roots of k' as a function of a and b, particularly for values of x between 0 and 1. I know a solution exists because graphically it is evident, as seen here, where the purple line (k') crosses the x-axis:

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However, obtaining an algebraic solution as a function of a and b has been a challenge - hence my reaching out!

Any input you might have would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thank you in advance for any help you may offer!

-J
 
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First, that is NOT a polynomial. In any case have you found [math]\frac{dy}{dx}[/math] and [math]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}[/math]? That should be your first step.
 
Fine… if you’re in the field where division of polynomials isn’t a polynomial expression…regardless, when you derive the expression, the ensuing curvature equation doesn’t lend itself (in my limited experience) to finding the roots easily. Any leads?
 
JackDaniel87 said:
Fine… if you’re in the field where division of polynomials isn’t a polynomial expression…
In what field is that NOT true? The result of the "division of polynomials" is a "rational function".

Please show the equation you got for the curvature function.
 
Biostatistics you can multiply two polynomials one of which is to the power of -1. In any case, terminology aside: here's the equation for curvature:

\[ k= \frac{\left|-\frac{2b\left(a-1\right)\left(-b+1-a\right)}{\left(b\left(1-x\right)+x\left(1-a\right)\right)^{3}}\right|}{\left[1+\left(\frac{b\left(a-1\right)}{\left(b\left(1-x\right)+x\left(1-a\right)\right)^{2}}\right)^{2}\right]^{\frac{3}{2}}} \]
 

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