Finding a limit involving Chebyshev polynomials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit involving Chebyshev polynomials, specifically the expression involving the limit as \( N \) approaches infinity of a sum that includes the Chebyshev polynomial \( T_{4N} \) and a function \( u_0(N) \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of properties of Chebyshev polynomials.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to show that the limit is equal to 0, mentioning attempts to expand terms and simplify the expression.
  • Another participant points out that Chebyshev polynomials are defined over the interval \([-1, 1]\) and challenges the validity of extending the argument to \( u_0 \) such that \( T_{4N}(u_0) = b \) with \( b \geq 1 \).
  • In response to the challenge, a participant asserts that the definition of Chebyshev polynomials is not limited to \([-1, 1]\) and provides a reference to support this claim.
  • Another participant suggests evaluating the sum with \( N=1 \) as a potential approach to the problem.
  • A link to the Stolz–Cesàro theorem is provided as a possible solution reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the domain of Chebyshev polynomials and the validity of the conjecture presented. No consensus is reached on the approach to evaluating the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the extension of the domain of Chebyshev polynomials and the implications of the limit as \( N \) approaches infinity. The discussion includes references to external sources for further exploration.

Unconscious
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How could I show that this limit:

##\lim_{N\to\infty}\frac{\sum_{p=1}^N T_{4N} \left(u_0(N)\cdot \cos\frac{p\pi}{2N+1}\right)}{N}##

is equal to 0?

In the expression above ##T_{4N}## is the Chebyshev polynomials of order ##4N##, ##u_0(N)\geq 1## is a number such that ##T_{4N}(u_0)=b##, with ##b\geq 1## fixed.

I tried to write ##T_{4N}## in its polynomial form, and to expand in series the terms ##\cos^k##, trying to reach a geometric series that would simplify everything to me in a chain, but still remains an abomination.
 
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Chebyshev polynomials are defined over [−1,1], but you have ##T_{4N}(u_0)=b## with ##b \ge 1##. Are you extending the domain to ## [-b,b]##? NO! You can't mangle up the argument of the Chebyshev polynomials to fit your pathological conjecture.
 
Keep calm.
No pathological conjectures, no conspiracy theories against Chebyshev's polynomials.

Fred Wright said:
Chebyshev polynomials are defined over [−1,1]
False.
Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebyshev_polynomials#Explicit_expressions .

For other references on this limit, read: R. S. Elliott, Antenna Theory and Design, Linear Array Synthesis.
 
Unconscious said:
Keep calm.
No pathological conjectures, no conspiracy theories against Chebyshev's polynomials.False.
Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebyshev_polynomials#Explicit_expressions .

For other references on this limit, read: R. S. Elliott, Antenna Theory and Design, Linear Array Synthesis.
Ok, my bad. Have you tried evaluating the sum with ##N=1##?
 

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