Finding Solutions to 4x + 60/x = 40 by Drawing a Suitable Line

  • Thread starter Thread starter tgpnlyt7095
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Functions Graphs
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding solutions to the equation 4x + 60/x = 40 by drawing a suitable line, specifically through the graph of y = 3x + 60/x - 35. Participants are exploring the relationship between these equations and the graphical representation of their solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the drawing of the graph and the calculation of the gradient, questioning how to relate the drawn line to the original equation. There are attempts to manipulate the equation algebraically to find connections between the graphs.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's attempts to clarify the relationship between the equations and the graphs. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of drawing both sides of the equation to find solutions graphically, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific constraints regarding the scales used for the axes in their graphs, which may affect their interpretations and representations of the equations.

tgpnlyt7095
Messages
31
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Draw the graph of y = 3x + 60/x - 35.
Range : x= 1.5 less than or equal to 10
y= 9.5 to 1
Find Gradient
**Find solutions to the equation 4x + 60/x = 40 by drawing a suitable line.



Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution



The graph is drawn, Gradient is found, which is 10.
** i have solved the question ' Find solutions to the equation 4x + 60/x = 40 by drawing a suitable line.' by other means but i just do not know where to draw a straight line at. how does this relate to y = 3x + 60/x - 35 ??
 
Physics news on Phys.org
tgpnlyt7095 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



The graph is drawn, Gradient is found, which is 10.
** i have solved the question ' Find solutions to the equation 4x + 60/x = 40 by drawing a suitable line.' by other means but i just do not know where to draw a straight line at. how does this relate to y = 3x + 60/x - 35 ??


You found the gradient at what point?

4x + 60/x = 40

What do you get if you subtract 35 from each side and then subtract x from each side?
 
rock.freak667 said:
You found the gradient at what point?

4x + 60/x = 40

What do you get if you subtract 35 from each side and then subtract x from each side?

sorry, my scale for the y-axis is 1cm per unit, and for the x axis, 2cm 2units.

i drew the tangent and gradient was drawn from ( 1.4, 7 ) all the way down to ( 1.4 , -3 )
Rise / Run = 10/1 = 10.
 
tgpnlyt7095 said:
sorry, my scale for the y-axis is 1cm per unit, and for the x axis, 2cm 2units.

i drew the tangent and gradient was drawn from ( 1.4, 7 ) all the way down to ( 1.4 , -3 )
Rise / Run = 10/1 = 10.

Once you had two points to use.

For the second part, did you do what I suggested?
 
rock.freak667 said:
Once you had two points to use.

For the second part, did you do what I suggested?
where wouldn't be any changes even if i have done so isn't it ? 4x + 60/x = 40
4x + 60/x - 35 - x = 40-35-x
i still ended up with 4x + 60/x = 40.
 
tgpnlyt7095 said:
where wouldn't be any changes even if i have done so isn't it ? 4x + 60/x = 40
4x + 60/x - 35 - x = 40-35-x
i still ended up with 4x + 60/x = 40.

No from here 4x + 60/x - 35 - x = 40-35-x

you end up with

3x+ 60/x - 35 = 5-x


Now say you had to solve x3 = x, you can solve it using algebra or you can do it graphically. There will be a solution where the graph of the left side intersects the graph of the right side i.e. where y=x3 and y=x intersect.

So in your question, what graphs do you need to draw?
 
rock.freak667 said:
No from here 4x + 60/x - 35 - x = 40-35-x

you end up with

3x+ 60/x - 35 = 5-xNow say you had to solve x3 = x, you can solve it using algebra or you can do it graphically. There will be a solution where the graph of the left side intersects the graph of the right side i.e. where y=x3 and y=x intersect.

So in your question, what graphs do you need to draw?
im only required to draw the y = 3x + 60/x - 35 graph
am i required to simplify 3x+ 60/x - 35 = 5-x further??
 
Last edited:
tgpnlyt7095 said:
im only required to draw the y = 3x + 60/x - 35 graph

tgpnlyt7095 said:
am i required to simplify 3x+ 60/x - 35 = 5-x further??

Did you understand what I typed?

You started with 4x + 60/x = 40. You did not draw this graph.

So from each side you subtracted (35+x) and got

4x + 60/x -35 - x = 40 -35 - x

which came out as

3x + 60/x -35 = 5 - x

So solutions for this equation will be the same as the solutions for 4x + 60/x = 40.

The graph of the left side is y=3x + 60/x -35. If you draw the graph of the right side on the same page, you will get the solutions you want.
 

Similar threads

Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K