Finding Spring Constant & Energy w/ Doubt in Exercise

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The discussion revolves around a spring exercise involving a mass attached to a spring oscillating horizontally. The original poster seeks to determine the spring constant, total energy, and the position where kinetic energy equals potential energy, based on given parameters such as mass, period, and amplitude.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the relationship between period and angular frequency to find the spring constant and applies conservation of energy principles to derive the position where kinetic and potential energies are equal. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of amplitude and the correct expression for total energy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, questioning specific terms and definitions, and clarifying the meaning of amplitude in the context of the problem. Some participants suggest reconsidering the maximum potential energy calculation and the interpretation of displacement.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the amplitude and its implications for potential energy calculations, as well as a typographical error in the original poster's post that has been clarified. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the terms used in the exercise.

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Summary:: Doubt in a spring exercise

Text of the exercise "a mass of ##m = 0.4 \ \text{kg} ## is attached to a spring and it oscillates horizontally with period ##T = 1.57 \text{s}##; the amplitude of the oscillation is ##d = 0.4 \text{m}##. Determine the spring constant, the total energy of the system and the position where the kinetic energy is equal to the potential energy."

I have found the spring constant with the relation ##T = \frac{2\pi}{\omega}## and I've used the conservation of energy to say that ##E=\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2=\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2} m\omega^2 \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; I have a doubt for the last request, that is the position where it is ##E_{\text{k}}=U##; my reasoning is that in a generic position it is, again for the conservation of energy, that ##\frac{1}{2}kx^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##, but since we want the position where ##E_{\text{k}}=U## and it is ##E=E_{\text{k}}+U## substituting ##E_{\text{k}}=U## leads to ##E_m=2U \implies E_{\text{k}}+U= 2\cdot \frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2\implies \frac{1}{2}kx^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2=k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##. Again, since ##\frac{1}{2}kx^2=\frac{1}{2}mv^2## because I am interested when kinetical and potential energy are the same, I get ##kx^2=k\left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2 \implies x=\frac{d}{2}##.

However the solution says that ##x=\frac{d}{2\sqrt{2}}##, where is my mistake? Thanks.
 
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What is ##E_m## in your equation soup above?
 
@hutchphd: It was a typo, that ##E_m## is the same as all the other ##E## in the post. Sorry for the confusion.
 
O.K. Why do you say ##E=\frac1 2 k (\frac d 2 )^2##
 
Because there are only conservative forces, so when the mass reaches the maximum amplitude (that is, when it is at position ##\frac{d}{2}##) the kinetical energy is ##0## because the mass has no velocity and there is only potential energy ##\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; that means that ##E=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##.
 
The amplitude is the size of the excursion from equilibrium in my vernacular. Check this.
 
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The question explicitly states that the amplitude is d. And there is no "maximum amplitude". Amplitude is the maximum displacement from equilibrium. Unless otherwise stated (like in peak-to-peak amplitude).
 
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Dunkodx said:
Because there are only conservative forces, so when the mass reaches the maximum amplitude (that is, when it is at position ##\frac{d}{2}##) the kinetical energy is ##0## because the mass has no velocity and there is only potential energy ##\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; that means that ##E=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##.
If the equilibrium position is x=0, then displacement (x) is in the range ## -d≤x≤d##.
Extremum-to-extremum distance is 2d (twice the amplitude).
That means maximum potential energy is ##\frac 1 2 kd^2##, not ##\frac 1 2 k(\frac d 2)^2##.
 
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