Finding Spring Constant & Energy w/ Doubt in Exercise

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spring constant and total energy of a system involving a mass attached to a spring. The spring constant is derived from the period of oscillation, and energy conservation equations are used to analyze the system. A key point of confusion arises regarding the position where kinetic energy equals potential energy, with one participant calculating it as x = d/2, while the correct solution is x = d/2√2. The distinction is clarified by emphasizing that the maximum potential energy occurs at the full amplitude d, not at d/2. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately interpreting amplitude and energy conservation principles in oscillatory motion.
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Summary:: Doubt in a spring exercise

Text of the exercise "a mass of ##m = 0.4 \ \text{kg} ## is attached to a spring and it oscillates horizontally with period ##T = 1.57 \text{s}##; the amplitude of the oscillation is ##d = 0.4 \text{m}##. Determine the spring constant, the total energy of the system and the position where the kinetic energy is equal to the potential energy."

I have found the spring constant with the relation ##T = \frac{2\pi}{\omega}## and I've used the conservation of energy to say that ##E=\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2=\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2} m\omega^2 \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; I have a doubt for the last request, that is the position where it is ##E_{\text{k}}=U##; my reasoning is that in a generic position it is, again for the conservation of energy, that ##\frac{1}{2}kx^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##, but since we want the position where ##E_{\text{k}}=U## and it is ##E=E_{\text{k}}+U## substituting ##E_{\text{k}}=U## leads to ##E_m=2U \implies E_{\text{k}}+U= 2\cdot \frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2\implies \frac{1}{2}kx^2+\frac{1}{2}mv^2=k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##. Again, since ##\frac{1}{2}kx^2=\frac{1}{2}mv^2## because I am interested when kinetical and potential energy are the same, I get ##kx^2=k\left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2 \implies x=\frac{d}{2}##.

However the solution says that ##x=\frac{d}{2\sqrt{2}}##, where is my mistake? Thanks.
 
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What is ##E_m## in your equation soup above?
 
@hutchphd: It was a typo, that ##E_m## is the same as all the other ##E## in the post. Sorry for the confusion.
 
O.K. Why do you say ##E=\frac1 2 k (\frac d 2 )^2##
 
Because there are only conservative forces, so when the mass reaches the maximum amplitude (that is, when it is at position ##\frac{d}{2}##) the kinetical energy is ##0## because the mass has no velocity and there is only potential energy ##\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; that means that ##E=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##.
 
The amplitude is the size of the excursion from equilibrium in my vernacular. Check this.
 
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The question explicitly states that the amplitude is d. And there is no "maximum amplitude". Amplitude is the maximum displacement from equilibrium. Unless otherwise stated (like in peak-to-peak amplitude).
 
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Dunkodx said:
Because there are only conservative forces, so when the mass reaches the maximum amplitude (that is, when it is at position ##\frac{d}{2}##) the kinetical energy is ##0## because the mass has no velocity and there is only potential energy ##\frac{1}{2} k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##; that means that ##E=\frac{1}{2}k \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2##.
If the equilibrium position is x=0, then displacement (x) is in the range ## -d≤x≤d##.
Extremum-to-extremum distance is 2d (twice the amplitude).
That means maximum potential energy is ##\frac 1 2 kd^2##, not ##\frac 1 2 k(\frac d 2)^2##.
 
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