Finding the analytic expression for arcsinh

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The discussion revolves around finding an analytic expression for the inverse hyperbolic sine function, arcsinh, given the definition of the hyperbolic sine function, sinh. Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation required to derive the expression and the implications of the roots obtained during the process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss solving the equation for y in terms of x using the definition of sinh. There is a focus on the implications of the quadratic formula results, particularly regarding which root to select. Questions arise about the validity of the negative root and the conditions under which it can be discarded.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the reasoning behind selecting the appropriate root. There is an exploration of the assumptions made during algebraic manipulations, and some participants are questioning the reliability of these manipulations in the context of the problem.

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Participants note that the expression derived leads to a negative argument for the logarithm when considering one of the roots, raising concerns about the validity of that solution. The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining awareness of assumptions during algebraic processes.

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Homework Statement


Given that ##\sinh x = \frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}##, find an expression for ##arcsinh x##

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We can proceed by the normal procedure for finding inverses of well-defined functions, solve ##x = \frac{e^y - e^{-y}}{2}## for y. After doing some algebra and using the quadratic formula, we find that ##y = \log (x \pm \sqrt{x^2 + 1})##. How do I know which root to take? It would seem that there are two inverse functions of sinhx
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Given that ##\sinh x = \frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}##, find an expression for ##arcsinh x##

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The Attempt at a Solution


We can proceed by the normal procedure for finding inverses of well-defined functions, solve ##x = \frac{e^y - e^{-y}}{2}## for y. After doing some algebra and using the quadratic formula, we find that ##y = \log (x \pm \sqrt{x^2 + 1})##. How do I know which root to take? It would seem that there are two inverse functions of sinhx
What is the argument of the logarithm if you take the negative sign in ##y = \log (x \pm \sqrt{x^2 + 1})##?
 
The argument of ##log(.)## can't be a negative number.
 
So since ##e^y## is always positive, and ##x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## is negative for all x, do we consider it an extraneous "solution", and thus take the other root? Why does ##x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## show up if it can't actually be a solution?
 
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So since ##e^y## is always positive, and ##x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## is negative for all x, do we consider it an extraneous "solution", and thus take the other root? Why does ##x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## show up if it can't actually be a solution?
If you had ##u^2 - 2yu - 1 = 0## and your goal was to solve for u, you would get ##u = y \pm \sqrt{y^2 + 1}##. Here there is no problem with u being negative.

However, in your equation, you have ##e^{2x} - 2ye^x - 1 = 0##. Solving for ##e^x## gives the same solution as for u, above. This time around, ##e^x## must be nonnegative, so we have to discard the solution ##y - \sqrt{y^2 + 1}##. You weren't solving an actual quadratic equation -- instead, you were solving one that was only quadratic in form. Since ##u = e^x##, u can only take on nonnegative values.
 
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Why does ##x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## show up if it can't actually be a solution?

Because our beloved algebraic manipulations are not completely reliable. We do them without keeping track of the assumptions we use when we apply them.

To repeat what Mark44 said:

From ## 2x = e^y + \frac{1}{e^y} ## we can multiply both sides by ##e^y## provided we assume ##e^y## is a number. From the properties of the function ##e^y##, we must assume ##e^y## is a positive number.

Later where our work leads to the conclusion: ## e^y = x + \sqrt{x^2 + 1} ## or ## e^y = x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## this work takes place under the assumption ##e^y > 0##. So if we were using the appropriate words to keep track of our assumptions, we would see the alternative ##e^y = x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## is not viable.

It's similar to evaluating an expression in proposition logic like ## A \land (B \lor \lnot A)## to imply ## A \land B##. When we do the algebraic manipulations we forget the "##A \land##" prefixes the work that leads to ##(B \lor \lnot A)## and then we wonder why the alternative ## \lnot A## doesn't work.
 
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