Finding the Angle Between Two Forces

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The discussion revolves around finding the angle between two forces in a physics problem involving circular motion and geometry. Participants are exploring the relationship between vectors in polar coordinates and the implications of the dot product in determining angles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion about the geometric interpretation of angles between vectors and the application of the dot product. There are suggestions to redraw diagrams and resolve components to better understand the relationships between angles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the derivation of specific angles and seeking clarification on geometric relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the drawing of diagrams to aid understanding, but no consensus has been reached on the angle determination.

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Participants note the importance of visual aids, such as diagrams, and the potential for varying interpretations of the angles involved in the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the geometry and the need for careful consideration of vector orientations.

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I understand the concept and ideas, but the geometry evades me.

In polar coordinates, we have two components, \hat{r},\hat{\theta}

I know that you just integrate the dot product of \vec{F} and d\vec{r} with the boundaries of position, but how did we find the angle between the two vectors?!

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Question is in the attachment
... the question in the attachment is:
"What is the velocity of m when the rod is at angle ##\phi##?"
... which is answered in the rest of the attachment.

The geometry is circular. They drew you a diagram.
Probably what you need to do is redraw the diagram, bigger, for different values of ##\phi## - carefully draw in the vectors, resolve components, and watch how they change.
 
Simon Bridge said:
... the question in the attachment is:
"What is the velocity of m when the rod is at angle ##\phi##?"
... which is answered in the rest of the attachment.

The geometry is circular. They drew you a diagram.
Probably what you need to do is redraw the diagram, bigger, for different values of ##\phi## - carefully draw in the vectors, resolve components, and watch how they change.

I should have been clearer. I know the concept behind the problem, I know how they solved, just not where they go the cos(\varphi-\frac{\pi}{2}<br /> <br /> That perplexes me. The dot product equals the magnitude of each vector multiplied by each other, times the cos of the angle between them. <br /> <br /> I don't know how they determined the angle.
 
Astrum said:
how did we find the angle between the two vectors?!

Can you show that the two angles marked θ in the picture are equal? [EDIT: The dotted line is horizontal]
 

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Astrum said:
I should have been clearer. I know the concept behind the problem, I know how they solved, just not where they go the cos(\varphi-\frac{\pi}{2} )

That perplexes me. The dot product equals the magnitude of each vector multiplied by each other, times the cos of the angle between them.

I don't know how they determined the angle.
... that is why I suggested you draw out the bigger diagrams. The exercise of resolving components gets you focussed on how the angles are related to each other. TSny has done one for you.
 
I didn't even realize that those angles were equal...

I have not a clue how to prove they're equal.
 
Construct another horizontal auxiliary line through the mass m. Also think about how the vector dr is oriented relative to the rod.
 

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