Finding the Area Between Two Curves Using Jacobians

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between two curves defined by the equations \(C_1: (y-x)=(x+y-\sqrt{2})^2\) and \(C_2: (x+y-\sqrt{2})=(y-x)^2\). Participants are exploring the complexities involved in determining the area between these curves, particularly focusing on the challenges of finding points of intersection and the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty of finding intersection points and the potential complexity of integration. There is mention of considering a change of variables to simplify the problem, with suggestions to use substitutions such as \(y-x=t\) and \(x+y+\sqrt{2}=s\). Some participants express uncertainty about the Jacobian factor associated with the change of variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on possible substitutions and questioning the correctness of the answer key. There is a mix of uncertainty regarding the application of Jacobians and the validity of the suggested answer of \(1/3\). No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that multiple integrals are not part of their syllabus, which raises questions about the applicability of certain methods discussed. The original poster expresses concern about the ease of the solution, indicating a potential disconnect between their expectations and the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider curves ##C_1: (y-x)=(x+y-\sqrt{2})^2## and ##C_2: (x+y-\sqrt{2})=(y-x)^2##, then the area between ##C_1## and ##C_2## is
A)1/2
B)1/3
C)1/4
D)None


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The Attempt at a Solution


Finding out the points of intersection would be a lot difficult here. And even if I find them, integration would be dirty. This is a question from my test paper and I suspect that it has an easy solution but I am unable to figure that out. :confused:

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


Consider curves ##C_1: (y-x)=(x+y-\sqrt{2})^2## and ##C_2: (x+y-\sqrt{2})=(y-x)^2##, then the area between ##C_1## and ##C_2## is
A)1/2
B)1/3
C)1/4
D)None


Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


Finding out the points of intersection would be a lot difficult here. And even if I find them, integration would be dirty. This is a question from my test paper and I suspect that it has an easy solution but I am unable to figure that out. :confused:

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Did you think about trying a change of variables?
 
Dick said:
Did you think about trying a change of variables?

Nope. How would I do that here? Substitute ##y-x## with ##t##?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Nope. How would I do that here? Substitute ##y-x## with ##t##?

Sure. Call x+y+sqrt(2)=s, x-y=t. Find the area is s,t coordinates. Don't forget the Jacobian factor.
 
Dick said:
...Jacobian factor.

Sorry, never heard of that before. :rolleyes:

Hmm...using the substitution, the question is similar to finding area between ##y=x^2## and ##y^2=x##. The area between them is 1/3. This is the answer given in the answer key. Thank you Dick! :smile:
 

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