Finding the Area of a Disc with Integration Methods

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The discussion focuses on using integration methods to derive the formula for the area of a disc, specifically A = π r². Participants explore various integration techniques, including substitutions and the integration of circular functions, while addressing challenges and confusion related to the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to find the area of a disc by integrating the function for one quadrant, expressing difficulty with the integration process and questioning the need for substitution.
  • Another participant suggests using the integral A = 4∫₀ʳ √(r² - x²) dx, explaining the need to multiply by 4 to account for all quadrants and proposing a substitution x = r sin(θ) to simplify the integral.
  • Further clarification is provided on the substitution, including how to derive dx = r cos(θ) dθ and the transformation of limits for the integral.
  • A different approach is proposed by another participant, suggesting the integration of circumferences of concentric circles from radius 0 to radius r as a simpler method to find the area.
  • Some participants express confusion about the substitution process and the differentiation involved, indicating a lack of familiarity with these integration techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for integrating to find the area of a disc, with multiple approaches and some confusion remaining about the substitution process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the differentiation and substitution steps, indicating potential gaps in understanding integration techniques relevant to the problem.

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Use integration methods to establish the formula A = π r^2 for the area of a disc ofradius r.

so the equation of the circle is x^2 +y^2 =r^2 . i will try and find the area of one quadrant using integration. so it will be ∫ r,0 y dx
so ∫ r,0 √(r^2 -x^2) dx so from here i am trying to integrate it but it is not working for me. i saw some suggested help saying you should substitute x for something but i do not know what it is and i can not see why you would do this either. i can't see why my normal method should not work.
 
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Okay, so what you want using this approach is:

$$A=4\int_0^r \sqrt{r^2-x^2}\,dx$$

We need to multiply by 4 since we are integrating over just 1 of the 4 quadrants, that is the integral is 1/4 of the total area of the disc. For an integral of this type, a good substitution is:

$$x=r\sin(\theta)\implies dx=r\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

So now, we want to change the limits, the integrand and the differential from being in terms of $x$ to being in terms of $\theta$. This will give us:

$$A=4\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \sqrt{r^2-r^2\sin^2(\theta)}r\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

In the integrand, we can factor the radicand and then pull any constants out front:

$$A=4r^2\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \sqrt{1-\sin^2(\theta)}\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

Can you use a Pythagorean identity to simplify the radical?
 
x=rsin(θ) ⟹dx=rcos(θ)dθ

I am not sure how you get this. Where does the d and the dθ come from.? Are you not just supposed to integrate both sides?

I can take it from where you left it though.
 
markosheehan said:
x=rsin(θ) ⟹dx=rcos(θ)dθ

I am not sure how you get this. Where does the d and the dθ come from.? Are you not just supposed to integrate both sides?

I can take it from where you left it though.

This is just a substitution:

$$x=r\sin(\theta)$$

And via differentiation, we obtain:

$$dx=r\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

This takes care of the integrand and the differential, and for the limits, we observe that our substitution may be written:

$$\theta(x)=\arcsin\left(\frac{x}{r}\right)$$

And we have:

$$\theta(0)=\arcsin\left(\frac{0}{r}\right)=0$$

$$\theta(r)=\arcsin\left(\frac{r}{r}\right)=\frac{\pi}{2}$$
 
A simpler approach would be to add via integration all of the circumferences of the concentric circles from radius 0 to radius r:

$$A=\int_0^r (2\pi u)\,du=2\pi\int_0^r u\,du$$
 
MarkFL said:
This is just a substitution:

$$x=r\sin(\theta)$$

And via differentiation, we obtain:

$$dx=r\cos(\theta)\,d\theta$$

This takes care of the integrand and the differential, and for the limits, we observe that our substitution may be written:

$$\theta(x)=\arcsin\left(\frac{x}{r}\right)$$

And we have:

$$\theta(0)=\arcsin\left(\frac{0}{r}\right)=0$$

$$\theta(r)=\arcsin\left(\frac{r}{r}\right)=\frac{\pi}{2}$$
i am sorry but i have never done this before and i am confused. thanks anyway
 
markosheehan said:
i am sorry but i have never done this before and i am confused. thanks anyway

Let me know where the confusion lies, and I'll try to explain. :)
 

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