Finding the argument of a Transfer Function

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The discussion revolves around finding the argument (angle) of a transfer function, focusing on the mathematical approach to determine the angle of complex numbers involved in the transfer function's expression. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding complex analysis in the context of transfer functions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the general method for finding the argument of a transfer function.
  • Another participant presents a formula for the argument of a specific transfer function, suggesting it can be expressed as the difference of two arctangent functions.
  • A later reply identifies an error in the initial argument calculation and emphasizes the importance of considering the quadrant when determining the argument of a complex number.
  • This participant also suggests visualizing complex numbers as vectors on an Argand diagram to better understand their angles relative to the positive real axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct approach to finding the argument of the transfer function, as one participant challenges the initial calculations and emphasizes the need for quadrant consideration.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the graphical representation of complex numbers and the potential for errors in argument calculations due to quadrant misinterpretation.

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Homework Statement
How do I determine Arg{ H(ω) } of the transfer function H(ω)?

A = 1/RC

Both R and C are unknown.
Relevant Equations
H(ω) = (jAω)/((A^2)+(3jAω)-(ω^2))
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What have you tried?
 
In general, how would you go about finding the Arg (angle) of a transfer function?
 
Arg{(jAω)/(A²+3jAω-ω²)} = Arg{jAω} - Arg{A²+3jAω-ω²} = arctan(Aω) - arctan(3Aω)
 
HairyScarecrow said:
Arg{(jAω)/(A²+3jAω-ω²)} = Arg{jAω} - Arg{A²+3jAω-ω²} = arctan(Aω) - arctan(3Aω)
I know this is a late reply, but there is an error there. When we have a complex number z = x + j y and we want to find the argument, that means that we want to find the angle between the positive real axis and that complex number. There are plenty of youtube videos to watch/ articles to read that can give you a better graphical understanding, but basically for a 1st quadrant complex number (x > 0 , y > 0, we have that arg(z) = \arctan \left( \frac{y}{x} \right). This should help you deal with the denominator of your transfer function (group the real and imaginary parts)

NOTE: do not just quote this formula without considering what quadrant we are dealing with.

It is sometimes helpful to think about this complex number as a 'vector' in terms of drawing a line from the origin to where it is.

As for the arg(jAw), try and draw a sketch of where jAw is located on an Argand diagram and think about the angle (a line connecting it to the origin) it makes with the positive real axis. HINT: what angle is the imaginary axis to the real axis?
 
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