Finding the average magnitude of the drag force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average magnitude of the drag force experienced by a saucer entering the atmosphere of PlanetX. The saucer, with a mass of 1.75x10^9 kg, enters at a speed of 460 m/s and slows to 110 m/s before crash-landing. The initial attempt to use mechanical energy equations yielded a drag force of 2.55 x 10^10 N, while the correct answer is 2.07 x 10^10 N. Participants highlight that using work-energy principles may not accurately reflect the average force due to the non-constant nature of the drag force. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the drag force equation and understanding the implications of variable forces in calculations.
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Homework Statement



A saucer of mass 1.75x10^9 enters
1.the gravitational field of PlanetX and enters its atmosphere; the gravitational field of the planet is 10.6 m/s2 and is considered uniform throughout the 80-km thick atmosphere.
If the saucer enters the atmosphere at 460 m/s and slows down to 110 m/s before its crash-landing, what is the average magnitude of the drag force (gravity cannot be neglected)?
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Homework Equations



drag for disk, D = (1/4) AV^2
W = Total Mechanical Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



E1 = (1/2)m1Vi^2 + mgd
E2 = 0 + 0

So W = (1/2)m1V1+mgd

Because W = Fd

W/d = F

2.55 x10^10

However the correct answer is listed as 2.07 x 10^10 N

I am not sure if my method of using mechanical energy is correct., Or wether I should be using the drag force equation to solve the problem
 
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rickyjoepr said:

Homework Statement



A saucer of mass 1.75x10^9 enters
1.the gravitational field of PlanetX and enters its atmosphere; the gravitational field of the planet is 10.6 m/s2 and is considered uniform throughout the 80-km thick atmosphere.
If the saucer enters the atmosphere at 460 m/s and slows down to 110 m/s before its crash-landing, what is the average magnitude of the drag force (gravity cannot be neglected)?
[/B]

Homework Equations



drag for disk, D = (1/4) AV^2
W = Total Mechanical Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



E1 = (1/2)m1Vi^2 + mgd
E2 = 0 + 0

So W = (1/2)m1V1+mgd

Because W = Fd

W/d = F

2.55 x10^10

However the correct answer is listed as 2.07 x 10^10 N

I am not sure if my method of using mechanical energy is correct., Or wether I should be using the drag force equation to solve the problem
The speed is not zero before the crash.
 
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rickyjoepr said:
W/d = F
The use of this to find an average force is not valid, though I realize it is what you are forced to use in this question.
Average force is defined as (change in momentum)/(elapsed time). If the force is not constant then (change in energy)/(distance) will not usually produce the same value.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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