Finding the Axis of Rotation with Given CoG and Force Point

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the axis of rotation for a body given its center of gravity and the point of application of an external force, including the force's magnitude and direction. The context involves theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to torque and rotational motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the axis of rotation by finding a point where the net torque from gravity and the external force is zero, suggesting multiple potential axes of rotation exist.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the initial sketch and asks for clarification on the torque and center of mass.
  • There is a discussion about the correct placement of the center of mass in relation to the external force, with some confusion about the diagram's representation.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the body, clarifying it is a square with negligible thickness and mass, and that the external force is a thrust acting at the bottom right corner.
  • There is a debate about the direction and nature of the external force, with one participant suggesting it should be referred to as thrust and questioning its constancy and application over time.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the external force being applied out of the plane of the square.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the placement of the center of mass, the nature of the external force, and the calculation of torque. There is no consensus on the uniqueness of the axis of rotation or the implications of the external force's application.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the clarity of the initial problem statement and the diagram, which may affect the understanding of the torque calculations and the axis of rotation. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the mathematical steps involved in determining the axis of rotation.

  • #31
pointdexter16 said:
Ok
Turns out I was a little hasty of suggesting to find a closed form for ##x(t)## and ##y(t)##. You can write the equations down, but I think it results in some non-elementary integrals involving ##\sin \left( kt^2 \right)##, and ##\cos \left( kt^2 \right)##...

See: Fresnal Integral
 
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  • #32
erobz said:
Turns out I was a little hasty of suggesting to find a closed form for ##x(t)## and ##y(t)##. You can write the equations down, but I think it results in some non-elementary integrals involving ##\sin \left( kt^2 \right)##, and ##\cos \left( kt^2 \right)##...

See: Fresnal Integral
If possible could you provide me with the whole solution
 
  • #33
pointdexter16 said:
If possible could you provide me with the whole solution
Sorry, No. I can't. But you can write down Newtons Second Laws for the is object and figure out what I'm talking about. Afterword, if you are still curious then take it to the Mathematicians in here to see what they can do with it.
 

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