Finding the Block's Position After Work is Done on a Spring System

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To determine the block's final position after applying 4.0J of work to the spring-block system, the spring constant was calculated as 4000 N/m using the force required to hold the block stationary. The work-energy equation was misapplied, initially leading to confusion about the signs of work done by the user versus the spring. Clarification revealed that the work done by the user is positive, while the work done by the spring is negative, indicating opposite directions of force and displacement. The correct interpretation of the work equation is crucial for finding the block's final position. Understanding these dynamics is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement



We must apply a force of magnitude 80N to hold the block stationary at x = -2.0cm. From that position, we then slowly move the block so that our force does +4.0J of work on the spring-block system; the block is then again stationary. What is the block's position? (Two answers.)


Homework Equations



F = -kx

W = (1/2)*k*xi^2 - (1/2)*k*xf^2


The Attempt at a Solution



80 = -k(-.02m)
k = 4000 N/m

With the spring constant, i plug it into the Work equation to find xf

4 = .5*4000*(-.02^2) - .5*4000*xf^2

3.2 = -2000xf^2
-.0016 = xf^2

And this is where I am stuck. The answer cannot be an imaginary number, but a real one. I know the equations are correct, so what am I doing wrong? Please explain.
 
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Supernejihh said:
W = (1/2)*k*xi^2 - (1/2)*k*xf^2
You want final minus initial, not the other way around.
 
Doc Al said:
You want final minus initial, not the other way around.

The problem is that, that is how the book presented us with the equation. It was initial minus final. I understand where you are coming from, but that's how it is.
 
Supernejihh said:
The problem is that, that is how the book presented us with the equation. It was initial minus final. I understand where you are coming from, but that's how it is.
Then what does W stand for in your book? The work done by the spring? The work done by you will be opposite to that.
 
Doc Al said:
Then what does W stand for in your book? The work done by the spring? The work done by you will be opposite to that.

Doc Al. So what you are telling me is that the Work of +4.0J is caused by me. And its positive because the direction and force are directed towards one way. But the force of a spring is always opposite the displacement. So the work of the spring is -4.0J because its moving one way, while the force is directed towards the opposite?
 
Supernejihh said:
Doc Al. So what you are telling me is that the Work of +4.0J is caused by me. And its positive because the direction and force are directed towards one way. But the force of a spring is always opposite the displacement. So the work of the spring is -4.0J because its moving one way, while the force is directed towards the opposite?
Right.
 
Doc Al said:
Right.

Thanks for your help Doc. I really appreciate it.
 
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