Finding the Center of Mass of a pendulum

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a pendulum system consisting of two balls and cords. The original poster considers the mass distribution, noting that the balls are heavier than the cords, and seeks to understand how to determine the center of mass for the entire system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the center of mass by first considering the two balls and questions how to account for the mass of the cords. They express uncertainty about the relationship between mass and the center of mass location. Other participants suggest considering balance points and provide a formula for calculating the center of mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the concept of balance and the relevant equation for center of mass, but no consensus has been reached on the application of these ideas to the specific problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of a specific equation in the original poster's textbook for this scenario, which may be influencing their understanding and approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Assuming that the combined mass of the balls is greater than the combined mass of the cords, but that the cords do have some mass, where is the center of mass for the system shown below?



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I tried approaching this problem by finding the center of mass for the two balls first. I picked a point closer to the lower ball which is heavier. However I don't know how I would find the center of mass of the cord?? Is the center of mass usually closer to heavier objects. I think I need a conceptual understanding of the center of mass.
 

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well, write down the relevant equation !

The pragmatic one is: where do you support something to get a balance ? Good for individual sticks and balls. For a rope with weight: imagine it's frozen.
 
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My book did not give an equation for solving this particular question. However I do like the idea of finding a balance in the object in order to find the center of mass. Thanks!
 
The relevant equation for the position of the center of mass is
$$\vec r_{\rm c.o.m.} = {\sum_i m_i \, \vec r_i \over \sum_i m_i }$$check it out.
For each ball you end up in the center of the thing and for each section of rope you end up halfway. Comes naturally. Adding the four vectors according to the relevant formula can never let you end up at a (why not?) or at b (why not?) and some judgment about M2 > M1 leaves only one answer.
 

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