Finding the Center of Mass Using Double Integrals

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass using double integrals, specifically focusing on a rod with a variable density and a system of point masses. Participants explore mathematical definitions and calculations related to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a rod with a density function and seeks to find its mass and center of mass for a system of point masses.
  • Another participant suggests using tiny mass elements to calculate the mass of the rod and questions the mathematical definition of the center of mass.
  • Several participants discuss the integration process for finding the mass of the rod, with one confirming the integration limits and expressing confusion about the center of mass calculation for the point masses.
  • A participant provides a mathematical definition of the center of mass, highlighting a potential dimensional error in an earlier calculation.
  • One participant corrects their calculation of the center of mass for the point masses after realizing a mistake in the denominator.
  • A new question is posed regarding finding the total mass of a cardboard figure defined by specific boundaries and varying density, with a suggestion to use double integrals.
  • Another participant reiterates the use of double integrals for the area-based problem, prompting a question about the application of the same formula used for the point masses.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of formulas and definitions, particularly about the center of mass and the integration process. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problems presented.

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Some participants' calculations may depend on assumptions about the density functions and the definitions of the center of mass. There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential dimensional inconsistencies in the calculations discussed.

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1. Find the mass of a rod length 10 cm with density d(x) = e^-x gm/cm at a distance of x cm from the left.
2. Find the center of mass of a system containing three point masses of 5gm, 3gm, and 1 gm located respectively at x = -10, x = 1, and x =2.

for number two what I did is just this:

(5(-10) + 3(1) + 1(2)) / (-10+1+(-2)) and I got 45/7
 
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Hint For the first: Imagine the rod to be made of tiny mass elements [itex]dm[/itex]. Each mass element is equal to [itex]\rho dx[/itex], where [itex]\rho[/itex] is the linear density within the differential [itex]dx[/itex]. If you sum up all such [itex]dm[/itex]'s you arrive at the mass of the rod.

2) How do you define, mathematically, the centre of mass of a system of particles?
 
so here's what I did for number one.

I take the integral of 0 to 10 of e^-x dx, is that all?

what's wrong with my number 2??
 
-EquinoX- said:
so here's what I did for number one.

I take the integral of 0 to 10 of e^-x dx, is that all?
Yes, that's right

what's wrong with my number 2??

Again, I ask you, what's the definition of the centre of mass?
 
the center of mass as of my understanding is the point/position where there's a balance/equilibrium.
 
-EquinoX- said:
the center of mass as of my understanding is the point/position where there's a balance/equilibrium.

I was talking about the mathematical definition, which is: [tex]\vec{R}_{cm} = \frac{\sum_{i=1}^{n}m_i\vec{r}_i}{\sum_{i=1}^n m_i}[/tex]

If you look at your answer in the first post, you may notice that it is not dimensionally correct.
 
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Oh clumsy mistake, so it should be:

(5(-10) + 3(1) + 1(2)) / (5+3+1)) and results as -45/9 = -5 right??

I have one more question and this is kind of hard:

A cardboard figure has a region which is bounded on the left by the line x = a, on the right by the line x=b, above by f(x), and below by g(x). If the density d(x) gm/cm^2 varies only with x, find an expression for the total mass of the figure, in terms of f(x), g(x), and d(x)
 
-EquinoX- said:
I have one more question and this is kind of hard:

A cardboard figure has a region which is bounded on the left by the line x = a, on the right by the line x=b, above by f(x), and below by g(x). If the density d(x) gm/cm^2 varies only with x, find an expression for the total mass of the figure, in terms of f(x), g(x), and d(x)

The principle's the same as in post #2, except that, here you have an area instead of a line. Use double integrals.
 
neutrino said:
The principle's the same as in post #2, except that, here you have an area instead of a line. Use double integrals.


what do you mean here as double integral?? so I still use the same formula as what I did in number 2?
 

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