Finding the change in length of the rope

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The problem involves a car being towed by another car using a rope with a specified stiffness. The objective is to determine the change in length of the rope given the mass of the car being towed and its acceleration, while ignoring friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the force acting on the towed car, with some attempting to apply Newton's second law (F = ma) and others questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions about the system.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with participants sharing their results and questioning the accuracy of their values. Some have suggested checking the problem statement for accuracy and completeness, while others are reconsidering the implications of the rope's stiffness and the forces at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the value of the stiffness constant and the potential impact of missing information on their calculations. There is also mention of the orientation of the towing scenario, with clarification that it is horizontal.

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Homework Statement


a= 0.3 m / s2
k = 10 000 N / m
m = 1800 kg ( of the car that is being pulled)
Ignore friction.

A car is being pulled by another car by a rope ( stiffness = 10 000 N/m) with acceleration of 0.3 m/s2.. Find the change in length of the rope.

Homework Equations


F = ma
F = kx (x is the change in length)

The Attempt at a Solution


x = F / k
I am having trouble at finding F. I have made a graph, which I have uploaded here, of the car that is being pulled in this situation and I don't know if it's correct. A hint would be appreciated.
 

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Here is a hint: There is only one horizontal force acting on the car being towed and that force is what is causing it to accelerate. The weight of the car is a downward force and the normal force is upward. So use one of the "relevant equations" that you listed.
 
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So F should be 540 N ( since there is only one horizontal force, got it simply by F = ma) , or is there something else I'm not noticing ? Because I'm not getting a correct answer. It's supposed to be 0.011 m, but I get 0.0054 m, so F should be approximately 1100 N.
 
Well, unless there's something I'm not noticing also, I don't see how you did anything wrong. But I got 0.054 m, instead of 0.0054 that you got. That may have just been a typo. Sometimes the "correct answers" are wrong.
 
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You may just want to check that you copied down all of the information from the problem correctly.
 
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I forgot one 0 for k: it's supposed to be 105, my bad. And it seems I lost one bit of information while translating this exercise, so I will re-do it:

Car A is being towed by car B with a rope ( k = 105) and acceleration of 0.3 m/s2. Car A has a mass of 1800 kg. Ignore friction. Find the change in length of the rope.
 
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Arquon said:
I forgot one 0 for k: it's supposed to be 105, my bad. And it seems I lost one bit of information while translating this exercise, so I will re-do it:

Car A is being towed by car B with a rope ( k = 105) and acceleration of 0.3 m/s2. Car A has a mass of 1800 kg. Ignore friction. Find the change in length of the rope.
It's definitely 0.0054m, unless you forgot to mention it is going uphill.
 
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No, it's going horizontal. Maybe car B has something to do with it ? If I imagine right, car B has 2 horizontal forces: one in direction of the rope, and another one to the front of the car B.

Edit : Although, nevermind. That still got me back to F = ma. I guess the answer is 0.054 m then. Thanks for help !
 

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