Finding the current in a solenoid

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum current in a coil surrounding a solenoid, given specific parameters such as the number of turns, dimensions, and resistance. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism, particularly magnetic flux and induced current.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the solenoid's current and the magnetic flux through the coil, with attempts to derive the maximum current in the coil based on the given parameters. There are questions about the correctness of using specific values and the need to work in radians for certain calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and questioning the steps taken in the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of working in radians, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the calculations or the final outcome.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that calculations are performed correctly, particularly regarding the use of radians in trigonometric functions. Participants are also navigating the implications of the derived equations and their physical meanings.

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Homework Statement


A 40-turn, 4.0-cm-diameter coil with R = 0.40Ω surrounds a 3.0-cm-diameter solenoid. The solenoid is 20 cm long and has 200 turns. The 60 Hz current through the solenoid is I = Io sin (2Πft). What is Io if the maximum current in the coil is 0.20A?

Homework Equations


Ncoil = Nc= 40 turns
Acoil = Ac = 4π*(10^-2) m^2
Rcoil = 0.40Ω
n = Nsol/Lsol = 200 turns / 0.2 m = 1000/m
Bsol = μo*n*Isol
Isol = Io sin (120Πt)
Asol = 2.25π*(10^-4) m^2
φm = Nc*Bsol*Asol (Magnetic flux through coil)
∈coil = φm/dt
Icoil = Nc*∈coil/Rcoil

The Attempt at a Solution


Isol is max when Io sin (2Πft) = Io, i.e. when sin 120Πt = 1, i.e. when t ≈ 0.2387s

From Isol to Bsol
Bsol = 1000*μo*(Io sin (120Πt)

From Bsol to Flux through coil (φm)
φm = 40*(1000*μo*(Io sin (120Πt))*(2.25π*(10^-4) m^2) = 9*(Io sin (120Πt)

From φm to ∈coil
∈coil = (9*(Io sin (120Πt))/dt= 9*Io*120Π* cos (120Πt) = 3392.92*Io*cos (120Πt)

From ∈coil to Icoil
Icoil = (40*3392.92*Io*cos (120Πt))/0.40Ω = 339292.0066 *Io*cos (120Πt) = 0.20 A
5.8946*(10^-7) = Io*cos (120Πt); t ≈ 0.2387 s ⇒ Io = 140.45A

Is this correct?
 
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kamhogo said:

Homework Statement


A 40-turn, 4.0-cm-diameter coil with R = 0.40Ω surrounds a 3.0-cm-diameter solenoid. The solenoid is 20 cm long and has 200 turns. The 60 Hz current through the solenoid is I = Io sin (2Πft). What is Io if the maximum current in the coil is 0.20A?

Homework Equations


Ncoil = Nc= 40 turns
Acoil = Ac = 4π*(10^-2) m^2
Rcoil = 0.40Ω
n = Nsol/Lsol = 200 turns / 0.2 m = 1000/m
Bsol = μo*n*Isol
Isol = Io sin (120Πt)
Asol = 2.25π*(10^-4) m^2
φm = Nc*Bsol*Asol (Magnetic flux through coil)
∈coil = φm/dt
Icoil = Nc*∈coil/Rcoil

The Attempt at a Solution


Isol is max when Io sin (2Πft) = Io, i.e. when sin 120Πt = 1, i.e. when t ≈ 0.2387s
That step is incorrect. You have to work in radians.
 
nrqed said:
That step is incorrect. You have to work in radians.
So 120*pi*t = 1.570796327
t = 0.004167 s ...??
And why in radians?
 
kamhogo said:
So 120*pi*t = 0.5*pi
t = (1/240) s ...??
And why in radians?

But then in the last step I get :

(5.8946*10^(-7)) / cos (0.5*pi) = infinity...
 

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