Calculating Induced Current in a Coil Surrounding a Changing Current Solenoid

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The problem involves calculating the induced current in a coil surrounding a solenoid with a changing current. The context includes parameters such as the number of turns in the coils, their radii, and the resistance of the coil. The subject area pertains to electromagnetism and Faraday's law of induction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to calculate the induced EMF using the change in magnetic flux and question how to determine dB/dt. There is also a focus on the configuration of the coils and the area to consider for the magnetic field. Some participants suggest using specific formulas related to the solenoid's magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the coils and the magnetic fields involved. Some have provided guidance on which area to consider for calculations, while others are clarifying assumptions about the setup. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

There are questions regarding the configuration of the coils and the areas to be used in calculations. Participants are also considering the implications of the induced current and its relationship to the varying magnetic field.

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Homework Statement


A coil with 140 turns, a radius of 5.2 cm, and a resistance of 11.0 Ω surrounds a solenoid with 200 turns/cm and a radius of 4.5 cm. The current in the solenoid changes at a constant rate from 0 A to 2.0 A in 0.10 s. Calculate the magnitude and direction of the induced current in the 140-coil.

Homework Equations


EMF = -N (dφ/dt)

The Attempt at a Solution


Iind = EMF/ R of the coil, due to Ohm's law.

So I know that I should find the EMF of the coil using
EMF = -N (dφ/dt) = -N (A) (dB/ dt)

I should find dB/dt, but I'm not totally sure how. I think I could use the magnetic field formula for a ring at the center maybe B= (μ0I) / (2 rcoil) , where the current, I , is changing due to the solenoid?
 
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I know many will find this a stupid question but is the coil with the 140 turns forming a close loop between its two ends? Can you provide some sort of schematic to let us see how exactly the two coils are.
Anyway if the coils configuration is as I think it is, then you should indeed try to find dB/dt (have in mind that as area A you should take the area of the solenoid(the coil with the 200turns/cm) not the area of the coil with the radius of 5.2cm). I believe you should use the formula ##B=\mu_0I\frac{n}{L}## where ##\frac{n}{L}=200## .
 
Yes, I forgot to post the picture.
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Great I got the answer (see below). Could you clarify though, why I would use the area of the solenoid versus the single coil?

Bsolenoid = μ0 I (N/L)
dB/dt = μ0(dI/dt)(N/L)
EMF = Ncoil (dB/dt) Asolenoid = Ncoil0(dI/dt)(N/L) ] A solenoid = .44768V
Iind = .44768V/ 11Ω = .04069A
 
Because that's exactly the area where the magnetic field varies with time. Outside that area there is magnetic field (which is caused by the induced current on the 140 turn coil) but since the induced current is constant that magnetic field is constant too.
 
Delta² said:
Because that's exactly the area where the magnetic field varies with time. Outside that area there is magnetic field (which is caused by the induced current on the 140 turn coil) but since the induced current is constant that magnetic field is constant too.

Ah, got it. Thanks!
 

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