Finding the Deduction for Euler Number

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Euler number (e), specifically seeking to understand its derivation or "deduction." Participants explore various mathematical contexts and interpretations related to e, including its origins in calculus, limits, and applications in compound interest.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that e arises from the analysis of the derivative of logarithmic and exponential functions, involving limits that approach e.
  • Others mention that e can be developed through the concept of compounded interest, particularly as the number of compounding periods approaches infinity.
  • One participant states that e satisfies the integral equation \(\int^e_1 \frac{dx}{x} = 1\), indicating the area under the curve of 1/x from 1 to e equals 1.
  • Another participant presents the limit definition \(\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{e^x- 1}{x}= 1\) as a characterization of e.
  • There is a reference to the Taylor series expansion of \(e^x\), which is expressed as \(e^x = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \ldots\).
  • Multiple participants provide the limit expression \(\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty}\left(1 + \frac{1}{x}\right)^x = e\), with some elaborating on its connection to compound interest.
  • One participant discusses the practical implications of continuous compounding in finance, contrasting it with daily compounding.
  • There is a mention of the significance of e in mathematics, with a participant asserting its prominence over pi.

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Participants express various interpretations and methods of deriving e, with no consensus on a singular approach or definition. Multiple competing views and explanations remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some claims depend on specific mathematical definitions and assumptions, such as the nature of limits and the context of compounding interest. The discussion does not resolve these dependencies or assumptions.

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Hi,

Can anyone show me what´s the deduction for e Euler number ?

Thank you
 
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live4physics said:
Hi,

Can anyone show me what´s the deduction for e Euler number ?

Thank you
What do you mean by "deduction"?
 
One way the number came about (I don't remember if it originates from this or not) was through analysis of the derivative of logarithmic/exponential functions. Evaluating the derivative of such functions involved taking the limit of an expression, which through analysis came out to be e (you could say it approaches an irrational number e).
 
There is a YouTube video about "e" from Khan Academy, dealing with derivative of the exponential function. It might be instructive for you.

This base of the natural logarithms can also be inductively developed through compounded interest, increasing the number of compoundings per year period, and then imagining or seeing where this goes as the number of compoundings per year becomes infinite. This I have seen developed in an old Intermediate Algebra book.
 
e is the number which satisfies this integral

\int^e_1 \frac {dx} x =1

In other words the area under the curve of 1/x from 1 to e equals 1.
 
Another way of phrasing it is that e is the number such that
\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{e^x- 1}{x}= 1
 
Once you find that e^x is its own deratative, you can get things from the Taylor series:

e^x =1+x+x^2/2! +x^3/3! +++=\sum_{i=0}^{i=\infty} \frac{x^i}{i!}
 
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Also,
\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty}\left(1 + \frac{1}{x}\right)^x = e
 
Bohrok said:
Also,
\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty}\left(1 + \frac{1}{x}\right)^x = e

Using this expression, you an also obtain the infinite series from the expansion:

(1+1/n)^n = 1+n/n + (n)(n-1)/n^2 *2! +n(n-1)(n-2)/n^3(3!) +++

So that taking the limit term by term becomes 1+1/1! +1/2! + 1/3! ++++as n goes to infinity.
 
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Bohrok said:
Also,
\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty}\left(1 + \frac{1}{x}\right)^x = e

This equation without the limit is the equation for compound interest.

Say you found a bank that promised to double your money every year, compounding it daily. You start off by putting $1 in your account. After a year, you end up with pretty close to $2.71 = "e dollars".

Magically, e pops up everywhere in math. It's probably more prominent than pi.
 
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Tac-Ticks: This equation without the limit is the equation for compound interest.

What he means is that the amount is compounded instantly, instead of every day or every month, etc.

For example if the nominal rate is 5%, then compounding instantly would give e^.05 =1.05127

Where as if it was compunded every day (1+.05/365)^365 = 1.05126, or only about a dollar difference on $100,000.

Bankers are often, or used to be, inclinded to use 360 days for the year. It makes the calculation easier--at least before computers.
 
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robert Ihnot said:
What he means is that the amount is compounded instantly, instead of every day or every month, etc.

I know where it comes from, but it's nice to know the name for it. The equation by itself doesn't really help you understand where it comes from.
 
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Tac-Tics said:
I know where it comes from, but it's nice to know the name for it. The equation by itself doesn't really help you understand where it comes from.
More commonly called "compounded continuously" or "continuous compounding".
 

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