Finding the derivative using the definition

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the function f(x) = x^(1/3) at the point x = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of the vertical tangent at the origin and the definition of the derivative.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the definition of the derivative to determine if f is differentiable at zero. Questions arise about how to express the undefined nature of the derivative and the implications of limits in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering guidance on how to articulate the undefined nature of the derivative. There is exploration of the limit process and its implications, with some questioning the application of the Archimedean property in relation to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of expanding (x+h)^(1/3) and the limitations of the binomial theorem in this case. There is an emphasis on evaluating the limit as h approaches zero, which may simplify the analysis.

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show that f(x)= x^(1/3) is not differentiable at zero.
I know there is a vertical tangent at the origin and therefor not differentiable, but I'm not sure how to say it in analysis.

I have tried using caratheodry but it doesn't seem to get me anywhere
 
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Can you find the derivative of f in 0?? Perhaps by applying the definition of derivative:

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(h)-f(0)}{h}[/tex]

What is that derivative? Does it exist?
 
No , I guess I should have said show show not differentiable using the definition.

Anyways

if I take the derivative I get

1/3 x^(-2/3)if x goes to 0 is undefined... But how do you say that in math talk
 
You just say that the derivative is undefined. If you calculate the limit from the definition, then you say that the limit does not exist (because...?). When you're arguing like in your last post, you just say that it is undefined in 0 as division by 0 is undefined.
 
does it violate the Archimedian property? I'm not sure how to use the definition because how do you expand (x+h)^(1/3)-(x)^1/3. I can't use the binomial theorem to expand it out because that only works for whole numbers.
 
Punkyc7 said:
does it violate the Archimedian property? I'm not sure how to use the definition because how do you expand (x+h)^(1/3)-(x)^1/3. I can't use the binomial theorem to expand it out because that only works for whole numbers.

Do note that you take the limit in 0, so you can take x=0. This simplifies a whole lot.
 

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