Finding The Dielectric Constant

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The problem involves a parallel-plate capacitor with an initial voltage of 181.0 V that drops to 27.0 V upon inserting a dielectric. The goal is to determine the dielectric constant of the material introduced between the plates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the capacitance before and after the dielectric is inserted using the formula C = κC₀, leading to a question about the constancy of charge in the two scenarios. Other participants discuss the implications of charge conservation depending on the setup and the effects of dielectric polarization on voltage.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the relationship between voltage, charge, and capacitance in the context of dielectrics. Some participants have provided insights into the conditions under which charge remains constant, while others clarify the role of electric fields and the absence of current in this specific capacitor setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the capacitor being isolated and the nature of the dielectric's effect on the electric field and voltage. There is an ongoing examination of fundamental concepts related to capacitors and dielectrics.

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Homework Statement


The voltage across an air-filled parallel-plate capacitor is measured to be 181.0 V. When a dielectric is inserted and completely fills the space between the plates as in the figure below, the voltage drops to 27.0 V.

What is the dielectric constant of the inserted material?


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The Attempt at a Solution



Using the expression that relates the capacitance of capacitor before a dielectric is placed between the plates, to the capacitance of a capacitor after the dielectric is places between the plates, [itex]C=\kappa C_0[/itex], I solved for [itex]\kappa[/itex]: [itex]\kappa = \frac{C}{C_0}[/itex]. I then substituted in the expression of for capacitance: [itex]\kappa = \frac{ \frac{Q}{\Delta V}}{ \frac{Q_0}{\Delta V_0}}[/itex]

Once I came to this step, I wasn't sure how to proceed. I wasn't sure if the charge would remain constant from each situation. It would seem like the charge wouldn't remain the same in each one, because the the amount of charge a capacitor can hold depends on the voltage across it and its capacitance, both of which are reducing.
 
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Bashyboy said:

I wasn't sure if the charge would remain constant from each situation. It would seem like the charge wouldn't remain the same in each one, because the the amount of charge a capacitor can hold depends on the voltage across it and its capacitance, both of which are reducing.


That depends on the set up. If you charged the plates to reach the initial voltage ##\Delta V_0## and then you isolate the plates form the rest of the world, the charge HAS to be constant, because it has nowhere to go and no way to get there (and from the data you have it seems this is what happens).

Notice that here the drop in voltage is due to the insertion of the dielectric... when you insert a dielectric the molecules inside it polarizes so as to partially screen the original field (how much depends indeed on the dielectric constant) and thus the voltage decreases.
 
I have another question, and it being answered might help me with this problem: If there is a potential difference between the parallel plate capacitor, is it necessary that there is a flow of charge (current)?
 
You need an electric field, not necessarily a current... the current eventually establishes DUE to the electric field (or potential difference if you prefer) when there is the possibility for it to establish... meaning some conductor material.

In your case as the two plates should not be connected by some wire (also because in this case they would discharge and you wouldn't have a capacitor anymore) there is no current.
 

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