Finding the largest value of delta greater than 0

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The discussion revolves around finding the largest value of delta greater than 0 for the function f(x) = sqrt(27-x) at the point x_0 = 11, ensuring that the condition |f(x) - L| < epsilon holds true, where L = 4 and epsilon = 1. Participants are exploring the formal definition of a limit in this context.

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  • Participants have attempted to manipulate the equations derived from the limit definition but express confusion about the significance of the numbers involved. There is discussion about solving the inequality |sqrt(27-x) - 4| < 1 and its implications for x.

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Some participants are sharing their steps and reasoning, seeking clarification on specific manipulations of the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to handle absolute values and inequalities, with suggestions to solve for x in various forms. No consensus has been reached yet, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the formal limit definition and the transformations of the inequalities involved. There is a noted uncertainty about how to proceed with the algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the treatment of negative values in absolute expressions.

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Homework Statement


For f(x) = sqrt(27-x), L=4, x_0 = 11 epsilon = 1, find the largest value of delta > 0 in the formal definition of a limit which ensures that |f(x) - L| < epsilon


Homework Equations



the formal def. of a limit:
lim x->x_0 F(x) = L if, for every number epsilon > 0, there exists a corresponding number delta>0 such that
0<|x-x_0| < delta implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon


The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried plugging multiple different things into the equations, but i, sadly, have no idea what I'm doing.

0 < |x-11| < epsilon and |sqrt(27-x) - 4| < 1.

Attempting to solve the second equation i get x>2. If i plug that into the first equation i got -9. But that is definitely not the answer. I just don't know what all these numbers mean.
 
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zurburgk said:

Homework Statement


For f(x) = sqrt(27-x), L=4, x_0 = 11 epsilon = 1, find the largest value of delta > 0 in the formal definition of a limit which ensures that |f(x) - L| < epsilon

Homework Equations



the formal def. of a limit:
lim x->x_0 F(x) = L if, for every number epsilon > 0, there exists a corresponding number delta>0 such that
0<|x-x_0| < delta implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried plugging multiple different things into the equations, but i, sadly, have no idea what I'm doing.

0 < |x-11| < epsilon and |sqrt(27-x) - 4| < 1.

Attempting to solve the second equation i get x>2. If i plug that into the first equation i got -9. But that is definitely not the answer. I just don't know what all these numbers mean.
How about solving [itex]\displaystyle |\sqrt{27-x\ } - 4| = 1[/itex] for x, to start things off ?
 
Do you mind if i walk you through my steps, if i make a mistake it should be easier to pinpoint the area :)

So |sqrt(27-x)-4| < 1
- add 4 to both sides

|sqrt(27-x)| < 5
-get rid of the square root

|27-x|< 25
-subtract 27 from each side

|-x| < -2

- and here is where I'm having my first problem. Do i multiply both sides by a negative allowing x to be a positive variable? Or do the absolute value signs take care of the negative variable?
 
zurburgk said:
Do you mind if i walk you through my steps, if i make a mistake it should be easier to pinpoint the area :)

So |sqrt(27-x)-4| < 1
- add 4 to both sides

|sqrt(27-x)| < 5
-get rid of the square root

|27-x|< 25
-subtract 27 from each side

|-x| < -2

- and here is where I'm having my first problem. Do i multiply both sides by a negative allowing x to be a positive variable? Or do the absolute value signs take care of the negative variable?
Let me repeat,
Solve [itex]\displaystyle |\sqrt{27-x\ } - 4| = 1[/itex] for x.​

But if you insist, you can solve the inequality. Just be careful. That is trickier.

At any rate:
[itex]\displaystyle |\sqrt{27-x\ } - 4|+4\ne |\sqrt{27-x\ }|[/itex]​

If [itex]\displaystyle |\sqrt{27-x\ } - 4| < 1[/itex]

then [itex]\displaystyle -1<\sqrt{27-x\ } - 4 < 1\ .[/itex]

Can you continue from there?
 

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