Finding the Magnitude of Pushing Force with Kinetic Friction?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the magnitude of a pushing force on a block moving at constant velocity, with a given coefficient of kinetic friction. The context includes concepts of forces, friction, and equilibrium conditions in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the lack of mass information and its impact on solving the problem. Questions arise about applying equilibrium conditions and the forces acting in both the x and y directions. There is an exploration of using variables to express forces and friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying concepts related to equilibrium and the relationships between forces. Some guidance has been provided regarding the equations to use, but there is no explicit consensus on the final expression for the pushing force.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion due to the absence of mass information, which is essential for calculating the forces involved. The discussion also reflects on the implications of constant velocity and the resulting net forces being zero.

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Homework Statement


The block is pushed to the right at a constant velocity. If the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.5, what is the magnitude of the pushing force?


Homework Equations


I don't know...


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Did they give the mass of the block? What's your first idea? Give it a shot...
 
no they didnt give the mass of the block, that is why I am so confused my teacher said something about sigma Fx=0 and sigma Fy=0 but i don't know what to do with those numbers, all i know is velocity is constant which makes acceleration 0 which makes force of x and y 0, but after that I am lost
 
jr4life said:
no they didnt give the mass of the block, that is why I am so confused my teacher said something about sigma Fx=0 and sigma Fy=0 but i don't know what to do with those numbers, all i know is velocity is constant which makes acceleration 0 which makes force of x and y 0, but after that I am lost

Yes, net force in the x direction is 0. Net force in the y-direction is 0.

What are the forces acting in the y-direction?

What are the forces acting in the x-direction?
 
In the x direction is the pushing force and force of friction and in the y direction is force of gravity on a box whos mass is not given and the normal force, i think the lack of given numbers is confuing me
 
jr4life said:
In the x direction is the pushing force and force of friction and in the y direction is force of gravity on a box whos mass is not given and the normal force, i think the lack of given numbers is confuing me

Yeah, just use the variables... let mass = m.

Write the [tex]\Sigma\vec{F} = ma[/tex] equation for the x-direction... then for the y-direction... just use the variables...
 
in x direction it would be (mass)(0) so resultant force would be 0, because acceleration would be 0 due to constant velocity and in y direction (mass)(9.8) and then i don't really know what you could do with that...
 
jr4life said:
in x direction it would be (mass)(0) so resultant force would be 0, because acceleration would be 0 due to constant velocity and in y direction (mass)(9.8) and then i don't really know what you could do with that...

Write the equations using Fpushing, friction, mg, Fnormal... how do they add or subtract?
 
learningphysics said:
Write the equations using Fpushing, friction, mg, Fnormal... how do they add or subtract?

mg-Fnormal=0

this is where i get confused with x because they are not in equilibrium so they wouldn't equal 0
Fpushing-friction=?? idk
 
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jr4life said:
mg-Fnormal=0

this is where i get confused with x because they are not in equilibrium so they wouldn't equal 0
Fpushing-friction=?? idk

It equals 0, because acceleration is 0 (constant velocity). Now, you also know that friction = [tex]\mu * F_{normal}[/tex]

Solve for Fpushing using your two equations, in terms of mass, [tex]\mu[/tex] and g.
 
  • #11
learningphysics said:
It equals 0, because acceleration is 0 (constant velocity). Now, you also know that friction = [tex]\mu * F_{normal}[/tex]

Solve for Fpushing using your two equations, in terms of mass, [tex]\mu[/tex] and g.

ok, i understand why it equals zero now but when you use that equation would it be
friction=(0.5)(9.8m) and which two equations are you referring to?
 
  • #12
jr4life said:
ok, i understand why it equals zero now but when you use that equation would it be
friction=(0.5)(9.8m) and which two equations are you referring to?

Yes, that's right...

The two equations I meant were:

Fpushing - friction = 0
Fnormal - mg = 0

you actually used the second equation to get friction = 0.5*9.8*m

So what does Fpushing come out to...
 
  • #13
learningphysics said:
Yes, that's right...

The two equations I meant were:

Fpushing - friction = 0
Fnormal - mg = 0

you actually used the second equation to get friction = 0.5*9.8*m

So what does Fpushing come out to...

Fpushing-(0.5)(9.8m)=0
Fpushing-4.9m=0
Fpushing=4.9m??
 
  • #14
jr4life said:
Fpushing-(0.5)(9.8m)=0
Fpushing-4.9m=0
Fpushing=4.9m??

Seems good to me.
 
  • #15
FedEx said:
Seems good to me.

yup. looks good to me too.
 

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