Finding the Mass Ratio of Planets Using Newton's Theory of Gravity

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass ratio of two planets based on the gravitational forces acting on an astronaut positioned between them, where the net force is zero. The subject area involves concepts from Newton's theory of gravity and gravitational force equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the distances from the astronaut to each planet and the gravitational forces involved. There are attempts to express the forces mathematically and to simplify the equations by eliminating constants.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed equations to represent the gravitational forces and have discussed the implications of the astronaut's mass on the ratio of the planets' masses. There is a general agreement on the mathematical representation, but no explicit consensus on the final interpretation or simplification has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the astronaut's mass does not affect the ratio of the planets' masses, and they are attempting to clarify the relationships between the distances and forces involved.

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Homework Statement


An astronaut of mass(m) is a certain distance between two planets where his net force=0. What is the ratio of the masses of the planets?


Homework Equations


[tex]F=\frac{Gm_{1}m_{2}}{r^2}\vec{r}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


Well if one planet has more mass than the other then the astronuat will have to compinsate for the pull from the biggr planet and be closer to the smaller planet.
I just don't know how to represent it mathematically.
 
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Find where the vector sum of the gravitational force between Planet 1 and the astronaut and the gravitational force of Planet 2 and the astronaut is zero.
 
How about this:
Lets label the distance from the bigger planet to the Astronaut [tex]\vec{r_{1}}[/tex]
and the distance from the astronuat to the smaller planet is [tex]\vec{r_{2}}[/tex] so that [tex]\vec{r}=\vec{r_{1}}+\vec{r_{2}}[/tex]
so:[tex]\vec{r_{1}}\ge \vec{r_{2}}[/tex]
Big planet at Equilibruim:
[tex]F_{planet on the astronuat}=F_{astrouat on the planet}[/tex]
Small Planet:
[tex]F_{small planet on the astronuat}=F_{astrouat on the small planet}[/tex]
So could we do :
[tex]\frac{GM_{1}m{2}}{r_{1}^2}\vec{r_{1}}=\frac{Gm_{2}m{3}}{r_{2}^2}\vec{r_{2}}[/tex]
Or something like that?
Where M is the mass of the big planet, [tex]m_{2}[/tex] is the astronaut,
[tex]m_{3}[/tex] is the smaller planet
 
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:cry::cry::cry:
 
What can you do to simplify that?
 
So we can kick out the G's, m2
[tex]\frac{M_{1}}{r_{1}^2}\vec{r_{1}}=\frac{m_{3}}{r_{2}^2}\vec{r_{2}}[/tex]
then:
[tex]\frac{M_{1}}{m_{3}}=\frac{r_{1}^2}{r_{2}^2}[/tex]
So the ratio doesn't of course depend on the wieght of the Astronaut.
Sound about right?
 
Looks OK to me.
 

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