Finding the maximum displacement of a vertical spring using energy conservation

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The problem involves a mass hanging from a vertical spring, where the mass is initially pulled down and given an upward speed. The objective is to determine the maximum displacement of the spring during the subsequent motion, utilizing energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation, questioning the correct setup of equations related to spring potential energy and kinetic energy. There are attempts to clarify the points at which energy is stored in the spring and the conditions under which the mass will change direction.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the energy equations to consider and questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, as various interpretations of the energy conservation approach are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of the spring's unstretched length and the initial conditions of the mass's motion. There is uncertainty regarding the correct points of energy calculation and the maximum displacement of the spring.

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Homework Statement



A mass of 0.36kg hangs motionless from a vertical spring whose length is 0.8m and whose unstretched length is 0.51m. Next, the mass is pulled down to where the spring has a length of 1.09m and given an initial speed upwards of 1.2m[PLAIN]https://s3.lite.msu.edu/adm/jsMath/fonts/cmmi10/alpha/144/char3D.pngs. What is the maximum length of the spring during the motion that follows?

Maximum length=

Homework Equations



F = k*y
1/2*k*A^2[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



k = F/y = m*g/y = 0.36kg*9.8m/s^2/(0.8m - 0.51) = 12.17793N/m

Energy is conserved

Let A be the maximum displacement

So 1/2*k*A^2 = 1/2*k*(1.09 - 0.51)^2 + 1/2*m*v^2

so A = sqrt((1.09 - 0.51)^2 + m/k*v^2) = sqrt((1.09 -0.51)^2 + 0.36/12.18*1.2^2) = 0.5974m

So the length will be 0.51 + 0.5974m = 1.11m

I only have one attempt wrong, Cant find the error..[/B]
 
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You only have two relevant equations -- if I count the second as an equation: spring potential energy = 1/2 k x2.

You also use a third one: kinetic energy = 1/2 m v2.

You forget a fourth one. Yet another energy...:wink:Oh, and: perhaps you want to check "1/2*k*(1.09 - 0.51)^2" which doesn't look right to me. At what point do you expect there is no energy stored in the spring ? And is that the top position, or is that the middle between top and bottom of the oscillation ?
 
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Would it be 1/2*k*(1.09 - 0.8)^2 and 1/2*k*(.8 - 0.51)^2

I do you KE=1/2 mv^2 I thought? I'm confused on what else there could be.
 
Check your energy approach with the following:
Hold the weight at spring unextended length 0.51 m and let go. How far will it drop until it will go up again (i.e. v = 0)
Would you do ##{1\over 2} kx^2 = {1\over 2} mv^2= 0 ## to find x ?
 

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