Finding the Minimum N for Given Epsilon in Sequence Convergence

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the sequence {n/(n + 1)} as n approaches infinity, specifically focusing on finding the minimum integer N for given values of ε that satisfy the condition |n/(n + 1) - 1| < ε. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition and the correct approach to determining N for various ε values.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of convergence and the application of the ε-N definition. The original poster attempts to calculate N for ε values of 0.25, 0.1, and 0.001 but expresses uncertainty about their method. Others clarify the inequality involved and question the origin of the limit value of 1.

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1. If we accept the fact that the sequence {n/(n + 1)}n = 1 converges to the limit L = 1, then for every ε>0 there exists an integer N such that abs value of an - L = abs value of n/(n + 1) - 1< ε when n>/ N. In each part, find the smallest value of N for the given value of ε.
2.a. ε = 0.25
b. ε = 0.1
c. ε = 0.001The way I did this was:
abs value of n/(n + 1) - 1 < ε
abs value of n/(n + 1) - 1< 0.25
abs value of n/(n + 1) - 1= 0.25
n/(n + 1) = 1.25
n = 1.25n + 1.25
-0.25n = 1.25
n = 5 because of the absolute value bars, therefore N = 4.

However, I do not think I did this correctly. Can someone show me the correct way?
 
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What it says is "for any ε>0, there exists N, such that if n>N, then |n/(n+1)-1|<ε."

The inequality with the abs expands to
[tex]-\epsilon<\dfrac{n}{n+1}-1<+\epsilon[/tex]

The right part of the inequality is automatically satisfied for all n because the fraction is always less than 1, so you only work on the left part.
 
Thank you for explaining :)

However, one last question, where is the 1 coming from? Isn't ε = 0.25?
 
You are welcome. Limit is the most interesting and fundamental thing in calculus 101. It's hard for beginner. I remembered our prof said don't feel bad if you don't get it at first, it took the best mathematicians centuries to get it right.

Back to your question, the 1 comes from the limit of the sequence as you agree. The epsilon-N language can be said in plain English in this way "we always pick a large enough n to make n/(n+1) close to 1 as much as we please." There are always 3 important things in the limit, the sequence, the limit, and the distance between the limit (1 in this case) the sequence evaluated at n. The distance is ε(n) which is a function of n. Your task is to find the minimal n for the given ε that makes the inequality happy.

Mosaness said:
Thank you for explaining :)

However, one last question, where is the 1 coming from? Isn't ε = 0.25?
 

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