Finding the Net Charge of the Earth

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net charge of the Earth based on an electric field value of 142 N/C near its surface. The original poster presents a problem involving Gauss's Law and attempts to find the net charge and the number of excess electrons per square meter on the Earth's surface.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Gauss's Law to find the net charge, calculating the area of the Earth and using the given electric field. They express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on where they may have gone wrong.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made in the calculations and the interpretation of the results, particularly regarding the sign of the charge and the units involved.
  • Others suggest that the original poster share their solution process for the benefit of others who may encounter similar issues.
  • One participant raises a question about unit cancellation in the calculations to better understand the derivation of the charge in Coulombs.

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The discussion has progressed with some participants providing feedback on the calculations and suggesting improvements in clarity and presentation. There is an acknowledgment of the correctness of the final answers, but also a recognition of potential errors in intermediate steps. Multiple interpretations of the problem and its solution are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. There is a focus on understanding the application of Gauss's Law and the implications of the results, with some participants expressing a desire for deeper clarification on specific aspects of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The Earth is surrounded by an electric field, pointing inward at every point. Assume a magnitude of E = 142N/C near the surface.
a) What is the net charge on the Earth?
b) How many excess electrons per square meter on the Earth's surface does this correspond to?

E = 142 N/C
Radius of Earth = 6.3781 km = 6,378,100 m

Homework Equations



Gauss's Law = EA

The Attempt at a Solution



So i know that i have to use Gauss's Law here. Which is simple the Electric Field, (given) and the area of the Earth which is found be 4πr2

Gauss's Law = EA
= (142) * (4πr2)
= (142) * (4π(6,378,100)2)
= (142) * (5.11e+14)
= 7.26e+16 C

however. After attempting that, i found it wasn't the right answer. Where did i go wrong?

i haven't attempted the second part since i need to know the first part. But i assume that to do it i would have to find the surface area of the Earth and divide it by the number i found in part a, then divide that by 1.6e-19 to find the number of electrons?
 
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Nevermind. I solved the problem.
 
If you don't mind, please post the solution and what brought you to it. It's always helpful for others who might have a similar question to be able to see how others having the same issue might successfully approach it.
 
Gauss's Law = EA
= (142) * (4πr2)
= (142) * (4π(6,378,100)2)
= (142) * (5.11e+14)
= 7.26e+16 C

θ = 180° for each ∆A => -1
(Basically means it's negative since electric field and ∆A are in complete opposite directions So Electric Field then is just a negative)

Gauss's Law = q / E0
q = (-E * A * E0 )
q = -E * E0 * Area
q = -[142] * [8.85e-12] * [4π(6,378,100)2]
q = [-7.26e+16 C] * [8.85e-12 C2 / Nm2]
q = -6.425e+5

Number of Electrons (Part b)

We know the electric field of the Earth = -6.425e+5
That is -6.425e+5 / -1.6e-19 = 4.02e+24 Electrons
The Earth is 5.11e+14 Square meters

5.11e+14 / 4.02e+24
= 7.86e9 Electrons per Square Meter
 
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Looks good. Thank you. For future reference, by the way, you can simply write Gauss's law as flux = closed integral of E dot dA = qencl. / epsilon0 (and using the TeX tags you can represent flux with the capital Phi using ' \Phi ' and lowercase epsilon w/ subscript 0 ("epsilon naught") as ' \epsilon_{0} ' -- case-sensitive for both of those, and the closed integral as ' \oint_{S} ' to show it's the closed integral over the surface).

You can also simply rewrite it in ASCII if you're in a hurry as

q_enc = eps_0 * (E . dA)

where the boldface letters represent vector quantities.

One of the great things about PF is that it has a wide range of easy-to-learn tools to let you express your mathematics clearly.

But yeah, you got the answer right. At this point I'm basically just talking style: It's less confusing to the reader when you say "flux" or "Phi" equals this or that instead of saying "Gauss's Law" equals something.
 
Also is it possible to show how your units cancel out to be Coulombs only for the net charge of the earth? It would help a lot since I am trying to figure out how the units cancel. Thanks in advance.

Also for your last part (5.11e14)/(4.02e24) =/= 7.89e9.
(5.11e14)/(4.02e24) = 1.27e-10.

I think you just switched the numbers around wrong but the answers are correct.
 
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