Finding the nth Term of Complex Sequences

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The discussion revolves around finding the nth term of complex sequences, specifically focusing on a given sequence of numbers: 1, 3, 15, 61, 253. Participants also explore the concept of sequences with multiple levels, questioning if there is a general formula for determining the nth term in such cases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question whether the goal is to create a formula for the nth term or simply to predict the next number in the sequence. Some suggest that a generic formula may not exist and that identifying patterns is essential. Others mention using Newton's difference formula to derive a polynomial representation of the sequence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have suggested potential patterns and methods for deriving the nth term, while others have pointed out corrections to numerical differences. There is no explicit consensus on a single method or formula at this stage.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexity of sequences that do not fit standard arithmetic or geometric forms, and there is an emphasis on understanding the underlying patterns rather than applying a one-size-fits-all formula.

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Homework Statement


I have two questions
1.Today,in my test paper,I got this sequence. Find the nth term formula
1,3,15,61,253
I didn't know how to start.This is clearly not an arithmetic or geometric sequence.
Any help?

2. And is there any formula for finding the nth term of sequences with multiple level?
What I mean as multiple level here is this.
2,4,6,8,10 below the sequence is the difference between two numbers.
1. 2 2 2 2

This is a first level sequence.

2,4,8,14,22
1. 2 4 6 8
2. 2 2 2

This is a 2nd level sequence.

Is there any formula for finding the nth term of n level sequences?

Homework Equations


a+d(n-1)
ar(n-1)


The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't know
 
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What was the actual question?

Did they want you to create a formula for the nth term or just predict the next number in the sequence?
 
jedishrfu said:
What was the actual question?

Did they want you to create a formula for the nth term or just predict the next number in the sequence?
Create the formula for nth term.
 
I don't think there is a generic formula that you can use here instead you must discern the pattern and write one yourself.

I see a kind of powers of two pattern in your sequence but I'm not sure if there is a simpler solution. I noticed that 1 is 2^0 and 3 is 2^2-1 ...
 
There is always formulas- generally, an infinite number of them, for any finite sequence of numbers.

One way of getting such a formula is to use "Newton's difference formula" to get a polynomial. Given n (x, y) points, there exist a unique polynomial of degree n-1 and up. We can think of the sequence 1,3,15,61,253 as given by the function f(0)= 1, f(1)= 3, f(2)= 15, f(3)= 61, and f(4)= 253.
The "first differences" are 3-1= 2, 15- 3= 12, 61- 15= 46, 253- 61= 192.
The "second differences" are 12- 2= 10, 46- 12= 34, 192- 46= 144.
The "third differences" are 34- 10= 24, 144- 34= 110.
The "fourth difference" is 110- 24= 76.

By "Newton's difference formula" these numbers are given by 1+ 2n+ (10/2)n(n+1)+(24/6)n(n+1)(n+2)+ (76/24)n(n+1)(n+ 2)(n+ 3).
 
A small correction 192-46 = 146 and so 146-34 = 112 and 112-24 = 88

I saw a curious pattern

2^0, 2^2-1, 2^4-1, 2^6-3, 2^8-3, 2^10-5 so I figured the next number would be 2^12-5 ...
 

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