Finding the period of small vertical oscillations

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The discussion revolves around finding the period of small vertical oscillations of a string described by a second-order differential equation. The context involves concepts from simple harmonic motion (SHM) and differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the differential equation and the implications of constants of integration. Some express confusion regarding the derivation of the period from the equation of motion, while others suggest examining the relationship between acceleration and displacement in SHM.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the integration process and the correct form of the period. There is a mix of attempts to derive the period through different approaches, with some guidance provided on the relationship between angular frequency and the period.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a lack of prior exposure to certain formulas related to SHM, which may influence the participants' understanding and approach to the problem. The discussion includes uncertainty about the role of constants in the equations being explored.

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Homework Statement


I need to find the period of small vertical oscillations about equilibrium position of a string whose motion can be described by the following equation:
d2x/dt2 = (-g/h)*x

Answer: 2π√(h/g)

Homework Equations


I know that the time period is given by the formula
T = 2πω where ω = √({d2V/dx2} / m) where V is the potential

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving the differential equation but I got stuck by doing the following:
Transform differential equation into (by taking dx/dt on both sides):
d2x/dt2 dx/dt = (-g/h)*x dx/dt
Denote dx/dt = m, then we can write:
∫m*dm/dt dt = ∫(-g/h)*x * dx/dt dt
(m)2/2 = -gx2/2h
which is:
(dx/dt)2/2 = -gx2/2h
which gives that dx/dt is equal to √(-gx2/h) which is impossible since there is a negative sign inside.

Thank you in advance!
 
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What about the constant of integration?
 
The equation of SHM is a = - ω2 x
d2x/dt2 Is the acceleration...can you see what is ω2
To find out what is t ?

T = 2Pi/ω ...not 2πω
 
lychette said:
The equation of SHM is a = - ω2 x
d2x/dt2 Is the acceleration...can you see what is ω2
To find out what is t ?

T = 2Pi/ω ...not 2πω
Ohhh, thank you so much! So ω is √(g/h) and then T = 2π/ω = 2π√(h/g)
The thing is that we did not learn about this formula before and so I was wondering if there is a way to deduce T by solving the equation?
 
green-beans said:
Ohhh, thank you so much! So ω is √(g/h) and then T = 2π/ω = 2π√(h/g)
The thing is that we did not learn about this formula before and so I was wondering if there is a way to deduce T by solving the equation?
The main thing you need to know is that acceleration is d2x/dt2
SHM is motion where acceleration is proportional to displacement...ie acc = - k x ...( - sign because restoring force, and therefore acceleration, is directed towards the equilibrium position)
In your case k = g/h
 
green-beans said:
I was wondering if there is a way to deduce T by solving the equation?
Yes, see post #2.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, see post #2.
Hi, thank you for your reply!
I totally forgot about the constant of integration. However, I still cannot get the needed result by just simply solving the equation.
So, with the constant of integration, I get:
dx/dt=v=√(c-gx2/h)
then I solve this differential equation again and get:
T = (√h) (arcsin ((x√g)/√ch) (in this case constant of integration is zero as at time t=0 the displacement from equilibrium position is zero)
But then I am not sure what I have to do with c.
 
green-beans said:
T = (√h) (arcsin ((x√g)/√ch)
That does not look right. There should be a g outside the arcsin.
 
haruspex said:
That does not look right. There should be a g outside the arcsin.
Ooops, I am really sorry - I made a slip. For the solution I got T = √(h/g) arcsin ({x√g}/{√ch}) but then I am not sure where does 2π in the solution come from :(
 
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green-beans said:
Ooops, I am really sorry - I made a slip. For the solution I got T = √(h/g) arcsin ({x√g}/{√ch}) but then I am not sure where does 2π in the solution come from :(
It might be more obvious if you turn it around to express x as a function of time. What is the smallest increment of time after which the function repeats?
 
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haruspex said:
It might be more obvious if you turn it around to express x as a function of time. What is the smallest increment of time after which the function repeats?
Ohhh, I see, thank you so much! It makes sense! :)
 

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