Finding the potential for a charged disk on a test charge

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field of a uniform disk of charge, specifically at the center of the disk on the z-axis, with a twist involving a small displacement of the test charge to the left. This problem is situated within the context of electrostatics and potential theory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss writing down the integral expression for the potential in cylindrical coordinates and consider approximations due to the small displacement. There are inquiries about the principle of exact solvability and requests for clarification on this concept.

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Some participants have provided guidance on starting points, including writing the integral expression and considering first-order approximations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the calculations, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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The original poster mentions that this is a critical and challenging problem for extra credit, indicating a potential constraint on the approach or methods that can be used. There is also a focus on the small displacement of the test charge, which may influence the assumptions made in the discussion.

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this is my problem and it has a twist:

find the electric field of a uniform disk of charge (assuming it's lying on the x, y plane) on a test charge located at the center of the disk on the z-axis but wait... here is the twist: displace the test charge a small displacement to the left. :eek:

Well, it's almost like your regular symmetric disk of charged, but this one is not symmetric.

I have no clue where to start. My teacher gives this as a critical and challenging problem for extra credit.

Please, give me some help to get me started.

Jimbo
 
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It is is in principle exactly solvable. I would at least write down the integral expression. Then, since you know the displacement is very small, you can make an approximation to first order in the displacement to simplify the integral.

EDIT: Better yet. Use that dV=(dV/dr)dr
 
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principle of exactly solvable?

can you explain me what this is or where I can find information on it? The internet doesn't help so far...

Jimbo
 
Start by writing down the expression (integral) for the potential in cylindrical coordinates. (This integral is solvable exactly)


I was proposing a first order expansion in the displacement, but I noticed that's actually messier than the exact way.
 
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My work so far...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/jimykid86/extracredit.jpg

how do i find c?

Jimbo
 
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My work so far 2...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/jimykid86/extracredit2001.jpg

what do I do now?

Jim
 
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You got the expression for the distance (almost) right, I`ll name it [itex]\rho[/itex]:

[tex]\rho=\sqrt{(r\cos \phi-a)^2+r^2\sin^2 \phi+z^2}=\sqrt{r^2-2ra\cos \phi+z^2+a^2}[/tex]


[tex]=\sqrt{(r-a\cos \phi)^2+a^2\sin^2\phi+z^2}[/tex]
So the integral becomes:

[tex]V=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^R\frac{\sigma rdrd\phi}{\sqrt{(r-a\cos \phi)^2+a^2\sin^2\phi+z^2}}[/tex]

You can integrate this wrt r, but not wrt phi. Maybe a power series expansion will work.

It's quite messy no matter how you look at it, but I guess you got to do something for bonus points right? :biggrin:
 
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thank you Galileo

haha... yeah... it will be a mess, but I'll try hard. thank you for your help

Jimbo
 

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