Finding the sum of an indefinite series

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of an indefinite series represented by the expression Ʃ(x-->infinity, x>0) 11/(n(n+2)). Participants are exploring the nature of the series and the methods to approach it, particularly focusing on partial fractions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of using partial fractions to simplify the series. There is uncertainty about how to apply this method correctly, especially when dealing with the expression 11/((n+1)^2-1). Some participants question whether the series can be classified as geometric and explore the implications of the series being infinite.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the partial fraction decomposition, with some participants suggesting specific forms for A and B. A few participants have identified terms of the series and are considering the convergence behavior. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the method without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the treatment of the series and the implications of infinite series, particularly in relation to convergence and cancellation of terms. There is also mention of homework constraints that may influence the approach taken.

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Homework Statement



Ʃ(x-->infinity, x>0) 11/(n(n+2))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I am not quite sure what to do, i think that i am supposed to put it into partial fractions.


i changed it to the form 11/(n^2+2n)
--> 11/((n+1)(n+1)-1))
--> 11/((n+1)^2-1)

Now i am kind of stuck, i know the answer is 33/4 but i am not sure how i can get to it.

Can anyone please help me out?

Also, can this be considered a geometric series?
 
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hahaha158 said:

Homework Statement



Ʃ(x-->infinity, x>0) 11/(n(n+2))

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I am not quite sure what to do, i think that i am supposed to put it into partial fractions.i changed it to the form 11/(n^2+2n)
--> 11/((n+1)(n+1)-1))
--> 11/((n+1)^2-1)

Now i am kind of stuck, i know the answer is 33/4 but i am not sure how i can get to it.

Can anyone please help me out?

Also, can this be considered a geometric series?

No, it's not geometric. You would be right to put it into partial fractions, why don't you do that? Partial fractions means expressing it as A/n+B/(n+2). What are A and B?
 
hahaha158 said:

Homework Statement



Ʃ(x-->infinity, x>0) 11/(n(n+2))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I am not quite sure what to do, i think that i am supposed to put it into partial fractions.


i changed it to the form 11/(n^2+2n)
--> 11/((n+1)(n+1)-1))
--> 11/((n+1)^2-1)

Now i am kind of stuck, i know the answer is 33/4 but i am not sure how i can get to it.

Can anyone please help me out?

Also, can this be considered a geometric series?

No, it isn't a geometric series. Forget the 11 for a moment. Write$$
\frac 1 {n(n+2)}= \frac A n + \frac B {n+2}$$Figure out ##A## and ##B##, then write out a bunch of terms of$$
\sum_{n=1}^\infty \left( \frac A n + \frac B {n+2}\right)$$and you will see what it converges to. Then multiply by your ##11##.
 
Dick said:
No, it's not geometric. You would be right to put it into partial fractions, why don't you do that? Partial fractions means expressing it as A/n+B/(n+2). What are A and B?

I am unsure of how to take partial fractions using 11/((n+1)^2-1)

i know that if you have multiplication at the bottom (ie 2 brackets) i could separate them and multiply each top term by the denominator of the other fraction, and then equate the 2 top terms to equal 11. I am not sure how i would treat this when i have subtraction in the denominator, should i not have changed it into this form?
 
hahaha158 said:
I am unsure of how to take partial fractions using 11/((n+1)^2-1)

i know that if you have multiplication at the bottom (ie 2 brackets) i could separate them and multiply each top term by the denominator of the other fraction, and then equate the 2 top terms to equal 11. I am not sure how i would treat this when i have subtraction in the denominator, should i not have changed it into this form?

You haven't changed it in any useful way. Just deal with 1/(n(n+2)) and do partial fractions on that. You can save the 11 till later.
 
LCKurtz said:
No, it isn't a geometric series. Forget the 11 for a moment. Write$$
\frac 1 {n(n+2)}= \frac A n + \frac B {n+2}$$Figure out ##A## and ##B##, then write out a bunch of terms of$$
\sum_{n=1}^\infty \left( \frac A n + \frac B {n+2}\right)$$and you will see what it converges to. Then multiply by your ##11##.

ok, unless I've made calculation errors I've found A to be 1/2 and B to be -1/2. The first 3 terms of the series without the 11 in the numerator I've found are 1/3, 1/8, and 1/15, and 1/24. It seems like they are converging towards 0, but i don't think they ever reach 0, so how do i know what term to stop at?
 
hahaha158 said:
ok, unless I've made calculation errors I've found A to be 1/2 and B to be -1/2. The first 3 terms of the series without the 11 in the numerator I've found are 1/3, 1/8, and 1/15, and 1/24. It seems like they are converging towards 0, but i don't think they ever reach 0, so how do i know what term to stop at?

Don't combine the parts coming from partial fractions. That gets you right back where you started. (1/2-1/6)+(1/4-1/8)+(1/6-1/10)+(1/8-1/12)+(1/10-1/14)+(1/12-1/16)+... Look for a pattern of cancellations. It's a telescoping series.
 
Dick said:
Don't combine the parts coming from partial fractions. That gets you right back where you started. (1/2-1/6)+(1/4-1/8)+(1/6-1/10)+(1/8-1/12)+(1/10-1/14)+(1/12-1/16)+... Look for a pattern of cancellations. It's a telescoping series.

i can see the cancellations now, but isn't this still an infinite series? even if every few terms cancel out how can you tell when you have to keep going until?
 
hahaha158 said:
i can see the cancellations now, but isn't this still an infinite series? even if every few terms cancel out how can you tell when you have to keep going until?

They ALL cancel except for a few at the beginning, the series is infinite. Just find the ones that don't cancel with later terms. Like 1/2 will never cancel. Keep thinking about it.
 
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Dick said:
They ALL cancel except for a few at the beginning, the series is infinite. Just find the ones that don't cancel with later terms. Like 1/2 will never cancel. Keep thinking about it.

ohh i see now.

Thanks for all the help
 
  • #11
hahaha158 said:
i can see the cancellations now, but isn't this still an infinite series? even if every few terms cancel out how can you tell when you have to keep going until?

By definition, an infinite series is the limit of a finite series, so
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n(n+2)}=<br /> \lim_{N \to \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{N} \frac{1}{n(n+2)},[/tex]
and for a 'telescoping' series the finite sum is easy to get.
 

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